On Tuesday, December 3, 2013, Michael Torrie wrote: > These days if I was going to introduce Linux to a friend, I'd probably
> put them on Linux Mint. Never heard of Mint before. What's good/bad about that one? :) That's the whole reason I started this thread, so I could learn about the less common distributions, and what makes them good or bad. :) --- Dan On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Dan Egli <ddavide...@gmail.com> wrote: > On December 3, 2013, John D Jones III wrote: > > > I'm a hardcore Arch Linux user, and have been for ~6 years now. I prefer > the rolling release structure, it's bleeding edge > > > yet stable. On the server end, FreeBSD 4 LYF!! I've been using it for > 12, up until I discovered Arch I ran fbsd on the > > I hear a lot about Arch. Perhaps some day I'll throw it on a virtual > machine and play around with it. It sounds like it has a lot to recommend > itself. I've never tried any *BSD, but perhaps one day I will investigate > them too. They just kind of leave a bad taste in my mouth, not being Linux > flavors. :) > > > > > And yes, I did try Gentoo, it's a fine distro, but I just got tired of > it's 'attitude' and I've > > > seen nothing recently that suggests the 'attitude' has changed. > > > > What attitude are you referring to, may I ask? I'm lost on this. :) > > > > --- Dan > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Dan Egli <ddavide...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On December 3, 2013, Michael Torrie wrote: >> >> > I used Maildir-formatted e-mail back with a Fedora Core 1 box. I never >> >> > had the dependency problems you state. Also, I don't believe >> courier-imap >> >> > ever was a Fedora standard package, so you can't blame Fedora for your >> >> > dependency issues. I was probably using an early version of Dovecot, or >> >> > maybe I just built courier myself.. >> >> >> >> Well, I know I didn't build courier myself. I know I used an RPM. I'm >> fairly sure I used apt-get to install it from the standard FC2 repos, but I >> could be wrong (and I know apt-get is usually debian based, I had apt for >> rpm installed because this was an older box that took for frigging EVER to >> run yum, where as apt ran just fine). Either way, I did specifically state >> that this was back in the days of FC2, so a lot could have changed between >> then and now. :) >> >> >> >> >> >> > That said, none of the dependencies you mention are really a problem, >> >> > nor really a waste. Despite your implication you're not really >> >> > installing all those database systems. Rather you're just installing >> >> > very small shared libraries for potentially accessing those database >> >> > systems (IE the API is the only thing installed. And the cost of >> >> > breaking all those small library dependencies out into separate packages >> >> > is just too high. You don't want to have to have a full and complete >> >> > but different version of courier-imap for each permutation of software >> >> > combination! I know that goes against your gentoo sensibilities! :) >> >> >> >> I'm quite familiar with the differences between say, openldap-<version> >> and openldap-libs-<version> and you're right that many were just the libs. >> But if my memory is correct (I could be wrong!) openldap wasn't just the >> -libs package required. Perhaps there wasn't a -libs package available to >> whoever designed the RPM (whether it was designed by the Fedora maintainers >> or someone else), but my memory says I had to install openldap itself (the >> full package) to get courier's RPM happy. And the point wasn't having all >> these DMBS packages installed, but the fact that this was a very small hard >> disk drive (< 4GB HDD if I recall, this WAS more than 12 years ago) so I >> had to REALLY prioritize what went on there, since it was a combo system to >> be my home e-mail server plus my print/file server, plus the samba server, >> plus the internet gateway. Those packages, just the libs and what ever else >> was required, used a large chunk of my HDD that I could have used for other >> purposes. >> >> >> >> And I'm also familiar with building RPMs on systems like Fedora. I have >> personally designed custom RPMs for programs like exim because I wanted to >> get just the right feature set. I can't say I've ever used git, but doing >> configure/make/make install is something I've done quite a few times. >> >> >> >> I do understand your point about trying to install things straight from >> tarballs though. Certainly doable on a few packages or only a couple >> servers. But not on a large setup. That's partially (_I_ think) why "Roll >> your own Linux" never really got too popular. :) Imagine downloading and >> compiling EVERYTHING from scratch, including glibc and gcc and init (or >> Systemd in more modern systems). Doable? Oh, absolutely. Doable on a large >> scale? Not so much. >> >> >> >> --- Dan >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Dan Egli <ddavide...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On December 3, 2013, Levi Pearson wrote: >>> >>> > If I was going to spend a bunch of time installing and learning a new >>> >>> > distro, I'd try out NixOS (http://nixos.org/) which has my favorite >>> >>> > concept of all the distributions. It treats package managment and >>> >>> > configuration as part of the same system, >>> >>> >>> >>> That sounds rather bizzare to me. But maybe I'm misunderstanding you on >>> that. I'll look over the site a bit, but perhaps you can explain better how >>> this package managment and configuration works combined? >>> >>> >>> >>> Out of curosity, if it's a distribution of Linux, why are they calling >>> it something else (NixOS vs. Nix Linux)? Or, is it not so much Linux as a >>> *NIX O/S? That's what I'd guess from the name, but I could be wrong. >>> >>> >>> >>> --- Dan >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:48 AM, Michael Torrie <torr...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/03/2013 11:10 AM, Lonnie Olson wrote: >>>> > * Mint >>>> > - Ugly, old, backwards UI choices >>>> >>>> Sounds like a plus in my book. Although Mint may be the distro >>>> developing Cinnamon and Mate, the big distros now support them both out >>>> of the box. Fedora for sure has them both. >>>> >>>> Despite the age of the core technologies, Mate+Compiz work best for me. >>>> And Mate can live alongside Gnome 3 and Cinnamon, so I'm not giving up >>>> anything. I still use some Gnome 3 apps. >>>> >>>> Cinnamon is okay, but I like the customizations I have made in Compiz, >>>> and I have to have a pager that shows at least window outlines like >>>> Mate/Gnome2 does. I've tried to put in a feature request to Cinnamon >>>> for the pager thing, but they didn't seem to understand just what I was >>>> getting at. Ahh well. If anyone knows an extension that can give me >>>> this feature, I would very much like to know about it. >>>> >>>> /* >>>> PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net >>>> Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug >>>> Don't fear the penguin. >>>> */ >>>> >>> >>> >> > /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
