I have found this thread very useful. Thanks so much. Has anyone tried using the latest distos on an Apple G4 (I am using a Mac Mini)? I know it is old but it still functions so well :).
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Grant Shipley <gship...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Dan Egli <ddavide...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 3, 2013, Michael Torrie wrote: > > > > > These days if I was going to introduce Linux to a friend, I'd probably > > > > > put them on Linux Mint. > > > > > > > > Never heard of Mint before. What's good/bad about that one? :) > > > > > > > > That's the whole reason I started this thread, so I could learn about the > > less common distributions, and what makes them good or bad. :) > > > > Mint is not a less common distribution. It seems that mint and arch have > most of the mindshare for all the hipster hackers nowadays. > > When people got mad at Canonical for their underhanded sharing of data with > amazon, a lot of people left that camp. Granted, it also had a lot to do > with people generally hating Unity and finally realizing that canonical is > not a good open source citizen. > > I find that Ubuntu is more in use by people who like linux but don't care > so much about running a completely free open source OS. It's the same > reason we have a seen a mass exodus to OSX. People understand the > technical merits of a linux/unix based system and prefer convenience over > philosophy. Please don't mistake this comment as something bad, it isn't. > People are and should be free to use whatever they want that suits their > personal desires and goals. Just trying to explain what I have seen in the > linux space over the last 10-15 years. > > -- > gs > > > > > > > --- Dan > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Dan Egli <ddavide...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On December 3, 2013, John D Jones III wrote: > > > > > > > I'm a hardcore Arch Linux user, and have been for ~6 years now. I > > prefer > > > the rolling release structure, it's bleeding edge > > > > > > > yet stable. On the server end, FreeBSD 4 LYF!! I've been using it for > > > 12, up until I discovered Arch I ran fbsd on the > > > > > > I hear a lot about Arch. Perhaps some day I'll throw it on a virtual > > > machine and play around with it. It sounds like it has a lot to > recommend > > > itself. I've never tried any *BSD, but perhaps one day I will > investigate > > > them too. They just kind of leave a bad taste in my mouth, not being > > Linux > > > flavors. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, I did try Gentoo, it's a fine distro, but I just got tired > of > > > it's 'attitude' and I've > > > > > > > seen nothing recently that suggests the 'attitude' has changed. > > > > > > > > > > > > What attitude are you referring to, may I ask? I'm lost on this. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Dan > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Dan Egli <ddavide...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > >> On December 3, 2013, Michael Torrie wrote: > > >> > > >> > I used Maildir-formatted e-mail back with a Fedora Core 1 box. I > never > > >> > > >> > had the dependency problems you state. Also, I don't believe > > >> courier-imap > > >> > > >> > ever was a Fedora standard package, so you can't blame Fedora for > your > > >> > > >> > dependency issues. I was probably using an early version of Dovecot, > > or > > >> > > >> > maybe I just built courier myself.. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Well, I know I didn't build courier myself. I know I used an RPM. I'm > > >> fairly sure I used apt-get to install it from the standard FC2 repos, > > but I > > >> could be wrong (and I know apt-get is usually debian based, I had apt > > for > > >> rpm installed because this was an older box that took for frigging > EVER > > to > > >> run yum, where as apt ran just fine). Either way, I did specifically > > state > > >> that this was back in the days of FC2, so a lot could have changed > > between > > >> then and now. :) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > That said, none of the dependencies you mention are really a > problem, > > >> > > >> > nor really a waste. Despite your implication you're not really > > >> > > >> > installing all those database systems. Rather you're just installing > > >> > > >> > very small shared libraries for potentially accessing those database > > >> > > >> > systems (IE the API is the only thing installed. And the cost of > > >> > > >> > breaking all those small library dependencies out into separate > > packages > > >> > > >> > is just too high. You don't want to have to have a full and complete > > >> > > >> > but different version of courier-imap for each permutation of > software > > >> > > >> > combination! I know that goes against your gentoo sensibilities! :) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I'm quite familiar with the differences between say, > openldap-<version> > > >> and openldap-libs-<version> and you're right that many were just the > > libs. > > >> But if my memory is correct (I could be wrong!) openldap wasn't just > the > > >> -libs package required. Perhaps there wasn't a -libs package available > > to > > >> whoever designed the RPM (whether it was designed by the Fedora > > maintainers > > >> or someone else), but my memory says I had to install openldap itself > > (the > > >> full package) to get courier's RPM happy. And the point wasn't having > > all > > >> these DMBS packages installed, but the fact that this was a very small > > hard > > >> disk drive (< 4GB HDD if I recall, this WAS more than 12 years ago) > so I > > >> had to REALLY prioritize what went on there, since it was a combo > > system to > > >> be my home e-mail server plus my print/file server, plus the samba > > server, > > >> plus the internet gateway. Those packages, just the libs and what ever > > else > > >> was required, used a large chunk of my HDD that I could have used for > > other > > >> purposes. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> And I'm also familiar with building RPMs on systems like Fedora. I > have > > >> personally designed custom RPMs for programs like exim because I > wanted > > to > > >> get just the right feature set. I can't say I've ever used git, but > > doing > > >> configure/make/make install is something I've done quite a few times. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I do understand your point about trying to install things straight > from > > >> tarballs though. Certainly doable on a few packages or only a couple > > >> servers. But not on a large setup. That's partially (_I_ think) why > > "Roll > > >> your own Linux" never really got too popular. :) Imagine downloading > and > > >> compiling EVERYTHING from scratch, including glibc and gcc and init > (or > > >> Systemd in more modern systems). Doable? Oh, absolutely. Doable on a > > large > > >> scale? Not so much. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> --- Dan > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Dan Egli <ddavide...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >> > > >>> On December 3, 2013, Levi Pearson wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > If I was going to spend a bunch of time installing and learning a > new > > >>> > > >>> > distro, I'd try out NixOS (http://nixos.org/) which has my > favorite > > >>> > > >>> > concept of all the distributions. It treats package managment and > > >>> > > >>> > configuration as part of the same system, > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> That sounds rather bizzare to me. But maybe I'm misunderstanding you > on > > >>> that. I'll look over the site a bit, but perhaps you can explain > > better how > > >>> this package managment and configuration works combined? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Out of curosity, if it's a distribution of Linux, why are they > calling > > >>> it something else (NixOS vs. Nix Linux)? Or, is it not so much Linux > > as a > > >>> *NIX O/S? That's what I'd guess from the name, but I could be wrong. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> --- Dan > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:48 AM, Michael Torrie <torr...@gmail.com > > >wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> On 12/03/2013 11:10 AM, Lonnie Olson wrote: > > >>>> > * Mint > > >>>> > - Ugly, old, backwards UI choices > > >>>> > > >>>> Sounds like a plus in my book. Although Mint may be the distro > > >>>> developing Cinnamon and Mate, the big distros now support them both > > out > > >>>> of the box. Fedora for sure has them both. > > >>>> > > >>>> Despite the age of the core technologies, Mate+Compiz work best for > > me. > > >>>> And Mate can live alongside Gnome 3 and Cinnamon, so I'm not giving > > up > > >>>> anything. I still use some Gnome 3 apps. > > >>>> > > >>>> Cinnamon is okay, but I like the customizations I have made in > Compiz, > > >>>> and I have to have a pager that shows at least window outlines like > > >>>> Mate/Gnome2 does. I've tried to put in a feature request to > Cinnamon > > >>>> for the pager thing, but they didn't seem to understand just what I > > was > > >>>> getting at. Ahh well. If anyone knows an extension that can give > me > > >>>> this feature, I would very much like to know about it. > > >>>> > > >>>> /* > > >>>> PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net > > >>>> Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug > > >>>> Don't fear the penguin. > > >>>> */ > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > /* > > PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net > > Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug > > Don't fear the penguin. > > */ > > > > /* > PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net > Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug > Don't fear the penguin. > */ > -- Nick Barker 260-485-6014 /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
