On December 3, 2013, John D Jones III wrote: > I'm a hardcore Arch Linux user, and have been for ~6 years now. I prefer the rolling release structure, it's bleeding edge
> yet stable. On the server end, FreeBSD 4 LYF!! I've been using it for 12, up until I discovered Arch I ran fbsd on the I hear a lot about Arch. Perhaps some day I'll throw it on a virtual machine and play around with it. It sounds like it has a lot to recommend itself. I've never tried any *BSD, but perhaps one day I will investigate them too. They just kind of leave a bad taste in my mouth, not being Linux flavors. :) > And yes, I did try Gentoo, it's a fine distro, but I just got tired of it's 'attitude' and I've > seen nothing recently that suggests the 'attitude' has changed. What attitude are you referring to, may I ask? I'm lost on this. :) --- Dan On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Dan Egli <ddavide...@gmail.com> wrote: > On December 3, 2013, Michael Torrie wrote: > > > I used Maildir-formatted e-mail back with a Fedora Core 1 box. I never > > > had the dependency problems you state. Also, I don't believe courier-imap > > > ever was a Fedora standard package, so you can't blame Fedora for your > > > dependency issues. I was probably using an early version of Dovecot, or > > > maybe I just built courier myself.. > > > > Well, I know I didn't build courier myself. I know I used an RPM. I'm > fairly sure I used apt-get to install it from the standard FC2 repos, but I > could be wrong (and I know apt-get is usually debian based, I had apt for > rpm installed because this was an older box that took for frigging EVER to > run yum, where as apt ran just fine). Either way, I did specifically state > that this was back in the days of FC2, so a lot could have changed between > then and now. :) > > > > > > > That said, none of the dependencies you mention are really a problem, > > > nor really a waste. Despite your implication you're not really > > > installing all those database systems. Rather you're just installing > > > very small shared libraries for potentially accessing those database > > > systems (IE the API is the only thing installed. And the cost of > > > breaking all those small library dependencies out into separate packages > > > is just too high. You don't want to have to have a full and complete > > > but different version of courier-imap for each permutation of software > > > combination! I know that goes against your gentoo sensibilities! :) > > > > I'm quite familiar with the differences between say, openldap-<version> > and openldap-libs-<version> and you're right that many were just the libs. > But if my memory is correct (I could be wrong!) openldap wasn't just the > -libs package required. Perhaps there wasn't a -libs package available to > whoever designed the RPM (whether it was designed by the Fedora maintainers > or someone else), but my memory says I had to install openldap itself (the > full package) to get courier's RPM happy. And the point wasn't having all > these DMBS packages installed, but the fact that this was a very small hard > disk drive (< 4GB HDD if I recall, this WAS more than 12 years ago) so I > had to REALLY prioritize what went on there, since it was a combo system to > be my home e-mail server plus my print/file server, plus the samba server, > plus the internet gateway. Those packages, just the libs and what ever else > was required, used a large chunk of my HDD that I could have used for other > purposes. > > > > And I'm also familiar with building RPMs on systems like Fedora. I have > personally designed custom RPMs for programs like exim because I wanted to > get just the right feature set. I can't say I've ever used git, but doing > configure/make/make install is something I've done quite a few times. > > > > I do understand your point about trying to install things straight from > tarballs though. Certainly doable on a few packages or only a couple > servers. But not on a large setup. That's partially (_I_ think) why "Roll > your own Linux" never really got too popular. :) Imagine downloading and > compiling EVERYTHING from scratch, including glibc and gcc and init (or > Systemd in more modern systems). Doable? Oh, absolutely. Doable on a large > scale? Not so much. > > > > --- Dan > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Dan Egli <ddavide...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On December 3, 2013, Levi Pearson wrote: >> >> > If I was going to spend a bunch of time installing and learning a new >> >> > distro, I'd try out NixOS (http://nixos.org/) which has my favorite >> >> > concept of all the distributions. It treats package managment and >> >> > configuration as part of the same system, >> >> >> >> That sounds rather bizzare to me. But maybe I'm misunderstanding you on >> that. I'll look over the site a bit, but perhaps you can explain better how >> this package managment and configuration works combined? >> >> >> >> Out of curosity, if it's a distribution of Linux, why are they calling it >> something else (NixOS vs. Nix Linux)? Or, is it not so much Linux as a *NIX >> O/S? That's what I'd guess from the name, but I could be wrong. >> >> >> >> --- Dan >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:48 AM, Michael Torrie <torr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 12/03/2013 11:10 AM, Lonnie Olson wrote: >>> > * Mint >>> > - Ugly, old, backwards UI choices >>> >>> Sounds like a plus in my book. Although Mint may be the distro >>> developing Cinnamon and Mate, the big distros now support them both out >>> of the box. Fedora for sure has them both. >>> >>> Despite the age of the core technologies, Mate+Compiz work best for me. >>> And Mate can live alongside Gnome 3 and Cinnamon, so I'm not giving up >>> anything. I still use some Gnome 3 apps. >>> >>> Cinnamon is okay, but I like the customizations I have made in Compiz, >>> and I have to have a pager that shows at least window outlines like >>> Mate/Gnome2 does. I've tried to put in a feature request to Cinnamon >>> for the pager thing, but they didn't seem to understand just what I was >>> getting at. Ahh well. If anyone knows an extension that can give me >>> this feature, I would very much like to know about it. >>> >>> /* >>> PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net >>> Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug >>> Don't fear the penguin. >>> */ >>> >> >> > /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
