It's whether, not weather, and no where did I comment on the severity of his punishment and whether it was sufficient. Stop making shit up. No one is falling for your obfuscation.
And you did get things wrong; (1) You said he shot a moose out of season, however, the offense was shooting a moose w/o a license and it was in season. You were wrong. (2) You said it was rather doubtful he tasered his step-son but in fact he did taser him and admitted as much. You were wrong. (3) You misquoted what I said about the threat to his father-in-law and you refuse to admit you got it wrong. The threat was made, but since it wasn't made directly to his father-in-law it wasn't treated as a crime. That doesn't mean he didn't say it and in fact the investigation concluded he did say it. You're playing semantics to dismiss Wooten's behavior. You're childish responses are predictable. I figure it's only a matter of time before you start saying "I know you are but what am I". I should have learned from the time wasted trying to debate with you the beginning of life that you are either not interested or simply incapable of having an honest debate. But rest assured that, while I may sometimes be slow on the uptake, I do eventually get it and I don't figure to be wasting any more time with you. That should make us both happy, I guess. On Sep 16, 3:26 am, "mike532 [ vote for America , vote against McCain ! ]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > he was investigated and punished for his violation of the rules . and > your opinion of weather he wasn't punished enough is imaterial . and i > didn't get anything wrong sparky i said i did not believe he tasered > his son and thathe was found inocent of most of the charges against > him while being punished for those he actualy did . it you who is a > disingenuous, bias hack with serious credibility issues.and palin is > indeed unfit for any office ! > > On Sep 15, 1:27 pm, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > He drank beer while in his patrol car. He was also investigated for > > other alcohol related incidents, including being pulled over with > > alcohol on his breath (no field test being taken because he was a > > trooper). Not exactly model behavior for a trooper. > > > He shot a moose without a permit.. his wife had a permit, not him. The > > killing took place in season. Oops, you got that one wrong. > > > He tasered his step-son, he admitted it and he was found guilty of it > > by the investigation. That it was of a lower voltage and for a shorter > > duration is irrelevant. You should NOT do that to an 11 year old child > > under any circumstance and a responsible law enforcement officer would > > know that. Oops, you got that one wrong too. > > > As for making those threats towards his father-in-law, the > > investigation concluded he did make the comment but he hadn't > > committed a crime because he did not make the threat directly to the > > father-in-law. The bullet above notes specifically "He told others his > > father-in-law would "eat a fucking lead bullet" if he helped his > > daughter get an attorney for the divorce.". Oops, you must pay > > attention to the facts and what other people write. > > > I do try to stick with the facts and have done so here. It's you who > > seems to be factually challenged. > > > I notice you ignored the whole point of my post; namely your double > > standard. When people discuss the FACTS concerning Wooten you call it > > "lies and slander" yet you continue to do just that about Palin and > > her family. For example, you wrote “…palin still abused her authority > > is unfit for office any office .” even though Palin has not been found > > guilty of anything yet. > > > You’re a disingenuous, bias hack with serious credibility issues. > > > On Sep 13, 2:37 am, mike532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > he was found to have drank beer in his car and shot a moose out of > > > season . the one about tasering his son is rather doubtfull > > > considering his son still lives with him and he was found inocent of > > > threatening his exfather in law . do try and stick with facts . > > > > On Sep 12, 4:39 pm, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Again, PA, you're being disingenuous. Wooten was investigated for 13 > > > > violations and was found to have either violated policy, broke the law > > > > or both on four of them. Specifically, he was guilty of; > > > > > • Wooten used a Taser on his 11 year old stepson. > > > > • He illegally shot a moose. > > > > • He drank beer in his patrol car on one occasion. > > > > • He told others his father-in-law would "eat a fucking lead bullet" > > > > if he helped his daughter get an attorney for the divorce. > > > > > You smear Palin and her family for minor drug usage, mostly in the > > > > past, but never mention Obama's own usage of pot and coke (also in the > > > > past). Meanwhile, you completely ignore what Wooten was guilty of or > > > > that he was at the center of a messy divorce and both sides acted > > > > inappropriately, something not at all unusual for messy divorces. By > > > > now everyone understand that if this situation played out in the Obama > > > > family your 'editorializing' would be entirely different. How would > > > > you feel if your nephew was tasered by your brother-in-law who then > > > > says your father will eat a fucking lead bullet if he helps your > > > > sister get an attorney? > > > > > Notice how Mike responds with "when did false accusations and slander > > > > become free speech ?". So if the Palin family says something it's a > > > > lie and slander, but when people say or write against Palin it's the > > > > truth and therefore free speech. And not once does he, or you, make an > > > > effort to validate any of this crap. > > > > > On Sep 12, 3:47 pm, PoliticalAmazon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > BWA-HA-HA! Let's not go there, Mark, not with Sarah Palin admitting > > > > > she smoked marijuana (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/29/ > > > > > politics/politico/thecrypt/main4397109.shtml) and two of Palin's > > > > > teenagers, one of them pregnant, has a BIG LONG history of illegal > > > > > drug use, including injecting and smoking OxyContin. > > > > > > ------ > > > > > On Sep 12, 7:02 am, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Obama committed a serious crime by taking illegal drugs in his > > > > > > youth... I am sure you will want him arrested too... > > > > > > > On Sep 12, 9:57 am, PoliticalAmazon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Something else that is also true is the fact that Sarah Palin > > > > > > > committed a serious crime by poaching. Her neglect has also > > > > > > > destroyed > > > > > > > her kids, who have a long history of serious drug abuse (including > > > > > > > injecting OxyContin--what is it with Republcians and OxyContin, > > > > > > > anyway?) and other serious crimes, as well as morality issues. > > > > > > > > If anything, Palin, her sister, and the rest of the family should > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > barred from seeing the Wooten children. I can't imagine what > > > > > > > Track > > > > > > > would do to little children when he's one of his drug-raging crime > > > > > > > frenzies. > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 6:19 am, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Except the State Troopers found these claim to be TRUE... > > > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 9:47 am, mike532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > when did false accusations and slander become free speech ? > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 9:31 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So the Judge attempted to subvert their Right's to Free > > > > > > > > > > Speech, and > > > > > > > > > > you are proud of that? > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 2:57 am, mike532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > A judge repeatedly told Palin and family not to badmouth > > > > > > > > > > > her sister's > > > > > > > > > > > exhttp://www.newsweek.com/id/158140 > > > > > > > > > > > An Anchorage judge three years ago warned Sarah Palin and > > > > > > > > > > > members of > > > > > > > > > > > her family to stop "disparaging" the reputation of Alaska > > > > > > > > > > > State > > > > > > > > > > > Trooper Michael Wooten, who at the time was undergoing a > > > > > > > > > > > bitter > > > > > > > > > > > separation and divorce from Palin's sister Molly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Allegations that Palin, her husband Todd, and at least > > > > > > > > > > > one top > > > > > > > > > > > gubernatorial aide continued to vilify Wooten—after Palin > > > > > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > > > > Alaska's governor and pressured state police officials to > > > > > > > > > > > take action > > > > > > > > > > > against him—are at the center of "Troopergate," a > > > > > > > > > > > political and > > > > > > > > > > > ethical controversy which has embroiled Palin's > > > > > > > > > > > administration and is > > > > > > > > > > > currently the subject of an official inquiry by a special > > > > > > > > > > > investigator > > > > > > > > > > > hired by the state legislature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Court records obtained by NEWSWEEK show that during the > > > > > > > > > > > course of > > > > > > > > > > > divorce hearings three years ago, Judge John Suddock > > > > > > > > > > > heard testimony > > > > > > > > > > > from an official of the Alaska State Troopers' union > > > > > > > > > > > about how Sarah > > > > > > > > > > > Palin—then a private citizen—and members of her family, > > > > > > > > > > > including her > > > > > > > > > > > father and daughter, lodged up to a dozen complaints > > > > > > > > > > > against Wooten > > > > > > > > > > > with the state police. The union official told the judge > > > > > > > > > > > that he had > > > > > > > > > > > never before been asked to appear as a divorce-case > > > > > > > > > > > witness, that the > > > > > > > > > > > union believed family complaints against Wooten were "not > > > > > > > > > > > job- > > > > > > > > > > > related," and that Wooten was being "harassed" by Palin > > > > > > > > > > > and other > > > > > > > > > > > family members. > > > > > > > > > > > > Court documents show that Judge Suddock was disturbed by > > > > > > > > > > > the alleged > > > > > > > > > > > attacks by Palin and her family members on Wooten's > > > > > > > > > > > behavior and > > > > > > > > > > > character. "Disparaging will not be tolerated—it is a > > > > > > > > > > > form of child > > > > > > > > > > > abuse," the judge told a settlement hearing in October > > > > > > > > > > > 2005, according > > > > > > > > > > > to typed notes of the proceedings. The judge added: > > > > > > > > > > > "Relatives cannot > > > > > > > > > > > disparage either. If occurs [sic] the parent needs to set > > > > > > > > > > > boundaries > > > > > > > > > > > for their relatives." > > > > > > > > > > > > A spokesperson for the law firm that represented Palin's > > > > > > > > > > > sister, now > > > > > > > > > > > known as Molly Hackett, said Hackett's lawyer would have > > > > > > > > > > > no comment > > > > > > > > > > > because custody issues are still in litigation. Other > > > > > > > > > > > lawyers > > > > > > > > > > > representing Sarah Palin in connection with the state > > > > > > > > > > > legislative > > > > > > > > > > > investigation—which is examining whether she abused her > > > > > > > > > > > powers as > > > > > > > > > > > governor in trying to have Wooten fired or > > > > > > > > > > > disciplined—had no > > > > > > > > > > > immediate comment. Palin's official gubernatorial > > > > > > > > > > > spokeswoman did not > > > > > > > > > > > respond to e-mails and a phone message requesting comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Wooten's lawyer also did not respond to messages > > > > > > > > > > > requesting comment. > > > > > > > > > > > John Cyr, executive director of the State Troopers union, > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > testified at the divorce hearing and is acting as > > > > > > > > > > > Wooten's spokesman, > > > > > > > > > > > said Wooten has avoided giving media interviews because > > > > > > > > > > > he wants to > > > > > > > > > > > avoid criticizing his former relatives (to > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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