Hear, hear! On Sep 20, 6:08 am, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the bailout will cost the american taxpayer one TRILLION dollars... > whether it works or not. > > it will cost the institutions , banks, and CEOs that caused > it.......... NOTHING. > > There is NO PAYBACK to the PEOPLE paying it. > > Is THIS the CAPITALIST SYSTEM you are always spouting off about?? > sounds more like FEUDALISM to me.... and it actually is. The serfs pay > the debts of the LORDS and recieve no tangible benefit. > > On 9/19/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Meltdown?!?!?!?!? > > > And yet the Dow is now nearly back to where it ended the week last > > week. > > > Imagine that. > > > Something you will Learn Frank is that we American's are very > > resilient... > > > We have been through MUCH worse. > > > On Sep 18, 11:11 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The meltdown is a global phenomenon, not a national phenomenon. The > > > bankruptcy of the GES's is a result of the meltdown not the cause > > > which is bound up within the inner contradictions of capitalism > > > itself. Americans in particular revile at this prospect which > > > challenges very the core beliefs of the American people as a people > > > and as a nation. Beliefs change nothing, they are opinions not fact. > > > Capitalism is the root cause of ALL problems facing mankind, it is not > > > the solution. This is a fact. > > > > On Sep 19, 2:38 am, piratelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The meltdown in great part happenned because of the Government;s GSE > > > > and the perception it caused..... > > > > > On Sep 18, 7:33 am, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > This is not simply a product of greed. Capitalism clearly does not > > > > > work.If it did this meltdown would not be occuring, they would have > > > > > seen it coming and acted accordingly. It has happened twice to this > > > > > degree before (1929 & 1895) As well as 1987, 1998 and 2001. It is a > > > > > global meltdown with its epicenter in the US (world's largest economy) > > > > > not a democrat or a republican meltdown. > > > > > > If a world socio-economic system is dependent on the honesty of a > > > > > minuscule handful of people, in the form of bankers and government > > > > > officials to operate efficiently--in other words 0000.1 of the worlds > > > > > population---then it is a system that is a deeply flawed, unworkable, > > > > > anarchic, undemocratic, plutocratic,anachronism. Which is precisely > > > > > what it is. This is not my opinion, it is a scientific, mathematical > > > > > fact. Idle baseless opinion or ideological wishful thinking are a > > > > > worthless hindrance to our understanding our relationship to the > > > > > worlds socio-economic forces and the means of production. > > > > > > On Sep 18, 11:09 pm, VT Sean Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > No Keith I have a brain and I know Bull Shit when I smell > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > Capitalism works, but selfish greed is a destroyer. > > > > > > > This post was about justifying selfish greed. > > > > > > > You are just too niave to realize it. > > > > > > > On Sep 18, 12:32 am, KeithInTampa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sean, > > > > > > > > You just demonstrated, that you are a socialist elitst......You > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > fell for, and/or actualy subscribe to the old socialists' trick, > > > > > > > playing the "class warfare card". > > > > > > > > For two hundred years, there was a concept in this Nation, the > > > > > > > proverbial "American Dream", which all Americans used to adhere > > > > > > > to, > > > > > > > and still some productive Americans still cling to; that wealth, > > > > > > > prosperity, and a life better than what their parents > > > > > > > maintaioned, was > > > > > > > within their grasp. The Democrat Party, which has been > > > > > > > infiltrated by > > > > > > > socialists and communists, have for years attempted to instill in > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > people that government is the answer and only solution for the > > > > > > > working > > > > > > > class. The Democrat Party detests capitalism. That nothing can > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > fact happen without government's oversight and stewardship. The > > > > > > > Democrat Party has worked hard to force a sense of class warfare. > > > > > > > > You just demonstrated it here in this thread, and another thread > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > you posted today captioned, "The Cascade Effect, the collapse of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > US economy. How did it happen, and how do you stop it." > > > > > > > > If you don't believe me, go back and re-read your messages. You > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > are espousing a socialist message. > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > On Sep 18, 12:08 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000056.html > > > > > > > > > That capitalism generates wealth is beyond debate. This > > > > > > > > capitalist > > > > > > > > reactor of ours easily invents more, learns more, and produces > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > benefits in a year than mankind did under a millennia of rule > > > > > > > > by Kings > > > > > > > > and Barons and Caliphs and Emperors. It s just amazing what > > > > > > > > people can > > > > > > > > do when you just get the hell out of their way. > > > > > > > > > As an economic system for increasing prosperity, you just can t > > > > > > > > beat > > > > > > > > it. And those who despise capitalism can t argue with this they > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > can t. What they can do, perpetually and loudly, is talk about > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > unfair Capitalism is. Because it allows the hard-working and > > > > > > > > ambitious > > > > > > > > to keep the rewards of their hard work and ambition, Capitalism > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > indeed produce some pretty uneven results. > > > > > > > > > But does uneven mean unfair? Depends on how you measure fair. > > > > > > > > > Now far be it for me to split linguistic hairs and argue over > > > > > > > > what the > > > > > > > > definition of is is. But if we re going to get to the heart of > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > unfair business, we have to ask ourselves, unfair to whom? > > > > > > > > Because if > > > > > > > > we are to talk intelligently about this, we re going to have to > > > > > > > > understand something right out of the gate: life is unfair. If > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > were fair, we d all be the same same intelligence, same drive, > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > capabilities. But we re not. It is a hallmark of our species > > > > > > > > that we > > > > > > > > vary wildly in these and many other categories. That s what > > > > > > > > makes us > > > > > > > > so diverse, and we sure want to celebrate that, don t we? > > > > > > > > > So, when we talk about making things fair, making them equal, > > > > > > > > we find > > > > > > > > ourselves in the same impossible conundrum as we do when we > > > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > The Irresistible Force meeting The Immovable Object. > > > > > > > > > Cool! Which would win? > > > > > > > > > Neither. It s an oxymoron. The definition of Irresistible Force > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > that there cannot be an Immovable Object, and vice versa. You > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > pick one or the other. They are mutually exclusive. > > > > > > > > > Likewise, when we try to measure fair and equal, we have to > > > > > > > > face the > > > > > > > > hard reality that people are different. So, do we want to > > > > > > > > measure an > > > > > > > > equal front end: equality of opportunity or an equal back end: > > > > > > > > equality of results? Can t have both. > > > > > > > > > Here s why: > > > > > > > > > When the Declaration of Independence thundered that All Men are > > > > > > > > Created Equal, it meant equal in those essential elements: > > > > > > > > equal under > > > > > > > > the law. Equal in terms of basic human rights. Equal in > > > > > > > > dignity. Equal > > > > > > > > in the sense that if someone with a lot of money thinks they > > > > > > > > can cut > > > > > > > > in front of me at an ATM line just because they re rich, then > > > > > > > > they can > > > > > > > > just kiss my Royal Irish Ass! that kind of equal. > > > > > > > > > But to believe that all people are equally capable is to well > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > paying attention, as a quick game of one-on-one half-court > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > Michael Jordan and Michael Moore will quickly reveal. (note to > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > King: There are millions, and I mean millions to be made off > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > idea. Call me.) > > > > > > > > > There will always be people smarter than you, and people more > > > > > > > > stupid; > > > > > > > > people more and less motivated, ruthless, connected, ambitious, > > > > > > > > frugal, hardworking than you are. Nothing can change that. > > > > > > > > Nothing > > > > > > > > should change that because there lies the Gulag. People are > > > > > > > > different. Leave them alone. Encourage the downhearted, by all > > > > > > > > means. > > > > > > > > Help those in need when they ask for help. But otherwise mind > > > > > > > > your own > > > > > > > > business, bub. > > > > > > > > > Society is as fair as it can get when all people have equal > > > > > > > > opportunity to make what they will of themselves. We are not > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > yet. We are close. We are much, much closer than many would > > > > > > > > have us > > > > > > > > believe. > > > > > > > > > But people are different. They will always be different. They > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > succeed and fail differently. There s no two ways around it. > > > > > > > > > Like so many flawed ideas beloved by the far left, equality > > > > > > > > seems like > > > > > > > > a noble enough goal. Until you think about it. People have > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > capabilities. So do you want equality of opportunity as I do > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > people can make of themselves what they will? Or do you want > > > > > > > > equality > > > > > > > > of results, where society steps in to make sure that everyone > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > out the same? > > > > > > > > > If society had a magical way of raising the bottom up, of > > > > > > > > speeding up, > > > > > > > > buffing up, and tidying up Michael Moore, thereby giving him > > > > > > > > the means > > > > > > > > to beat Michael Jordan in our (sadly) mythical game of > > > > > > > > half-court, > > > > > > > > well we d all be the winners and life would be just dandy. But, > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
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