hollywood, my comments were meant to include the substantive parts of the debate....Obama looked like an angry school boy with his furrowed brow, always on defense....McCain was calm, cool and collected and his experience and knowledge of the issues put him far and away ahead of Obama.
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > voxitar, > > Typical, appearances and biased perceptions over substance. How > something was over what was said. > > On Sep 27, 10:34 am, voxitar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Obama looked like a student being schooled by the master. McCain >> looked presidential, Obama just looked like whiner. >> >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 5:16 AM, mike532 [ Republicans for Obama ] >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Six Short Takes on Why Obama Came out Ahead in the Debate >> >> >http://www.alternet.org/election08/100565/ >> > In the first head-to-head debate of the 2008 campaign, the financial >> > crisis dragged what the McCain camp had hoped would be fought in the >> > GOP nominee's comfort zone -- foreign policy and national security -- >> > squarely into the realm of domestic policy. >> > Moderator Jim Lehrer made a smooth transition to the voters' top >> > concern in this election, saying that we were facing a potential >> > meltdown of the global economy, which was by definition a matter of >> > "national security." >> >> > What followed was a microcosm of the 2008 race: Barack Obama dominated >> > John McCain when the focus of the debate was on the domestic sphere >> > and a fast-deteriorating financial sector, but ceded an enormous >> > amount of political space to McCain on national security, accepting >> > much of the Arizona senator's overarching neoconservative narrative >> > that the United States is surrounded by mortal danger and evildoers >> > and has a moral duty to maintain our forces in Iraq and elsewhere in >> > order to defend the homeland. >> >> > McCain appeared twitchy and out of touch as the debate began with the >> > banking meltdown and the Bush-Paulson plan to reverse it. He blinked >> > rapidly and avoided eye contact with Obama, Lehrer and the audience as >> > Obama came out swinging against McCain for enabling the "root causes" >> > of the crisis to develop during decades in the Congress, including a >> > long stint on the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and >> > Transportation. >> >> > Obama articulately condemned what he called a "philosophy that says >> > that regulation is always bad," and blamed its pervasiveness for the >> > economic mess. McCain, moments before saying that we have the >> > "greatest workers in the world" (and that the United States is >> > simultaneously the "greatest importer" and "greatest exporter" in the >> > world), tried to shift blame from Wall Street to Main Street -- from >> > predatory lenders and fast-and-loose brokers to those who find >> > themselves with a home on the bubble today. >> >> > It's a losing strategy. >> >> > Obama, on the other hand, must be extremely confident that this >> > election will be decided on the economy, as he failed to challenge >> > McCain on his belligerent stance toward the rest of the world. >> >> > He conceded that the "surge has worked" -- it has not. He tried to go >> > toe to toe with John "Bomb, Bomb Iran" McCain on the evils of Iran. He >> > called Venezuela a "rogue state." He engaged in a bit of fearmongering >> > himself, saying that while he supports missile defense -- a boondoggle >> > if ever there was one -- the greatest threat we face is from suitcase >> > nukes. >> >> > As Obama agreed with so much of McCain's worldview, McCain's >> > discomfort disappeared, and he landed several good knocks on Obama. He >> > repeatedly called him "naive." >> >> > But, in the final analysis, a day after Washington Mutual went down in >> > flames, I doubt that it'll be enough to get McCain out of the hole in >> > which he finds himself. >> >> > Don Hazen: >> >> > If you were an Obama champion and wanted McCain to fall flat, you were >> > disappointed. McCain is a tough, pugnacious debater, and he tried to >> > control the talk time, going on and on. He's knowledgeable, and as we >> > know, he whipped all of the Republicans during the primaries. But the >> > big picture is that McCain probably had to do better since he is >> > behind on the momentum and had to beat Obama with his supposed >> > strength -- foreign affairs -- and there is a consensus among the >> > commentators that he didn't do that. >> >> > If you reflect more on the meta or emotional level, McCain spent most >> > of his time talking about the past and focused on Iraq -- making sure >> > everyone knew that we had to win. That was the most important point he >> > needed to make. But if this election is about change, then McCain >> > reinforced his role as part of the problem. For most of the public, >> > Iraq is past tense. Sixty percent think the economy is the key issue. >> > And in terms of bread and butter, the numbers that people are likely >> > to remember are not the $18 billion earmarks discussion, but rather >> > the fact that 95 percent of the population will get a tax cut with >> > Obama -- everyone who makes under $250,000. Meanwhile, the figure >> > associated with McCain is likely to be $300 billion in tax cuts for >> > corporations and the wealthy, while we have a huge deficit. Obama had >> > to make kitchen table points stick, and he seemed to achieve that, >> > repeating these points several times. >> >> > The pundits were also speculating that independent voters didn't like >> > McCain's condescension and repeating that Obama "doesn't get it." Here >> > McCain could be seen as the cranky older guy, sounding a little >> > insecure, while Obama didn't rise to the bait. In fact, Obama agreed >> > with McCain a number of times, suggesting that Obama was more capable >> > of working across the aisle. >> >> > 123Next page ยป- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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