Some people look at Obama and see a Democrat candidate for President. YOU see a "black man." How telling.
On Sep 29, 3:47 am, "mike532 [ Republicans for Obama ]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > he ses the GOP being kicked out of the oval office by a black man and > it is driving him nuts ! > > On Sep 28, 10:14 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > voxitar, > > > Simply your opinion. Some people furrow their brow when thinking, > > maybe he had gas. You see what you wish to see, that's all. > > > Cool and calm can appear to be simply dull and stupid or monumentally > > stoned, if that is what THEY wish to see. > > > On Sep 27, 4:24 pm, voxitar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > hollywood, my comments were meant to include the substantive parts of > > > the debate....Obama looked like an angry school boy with his furrowed > > > brow, always on defense....McCain was calm, cool and collected and his > > > experience and knowledge of the issues put him far and away ahead of > > > Obama. > > > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > voxitar, > > > > > Typical, appearances and biased perceptions over substance. How > > > > something was over what was said. > > > > > On Sep 27, 10:34 am, voxitar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Obama looked like a student being schooled by the master. McCain > > > >> looked presidential, Obama just looked like whiner. > > > > >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 5:16 AM, mike532 [ Republicans for Obama ] > > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> > Six Short Takes on Why Obama Came out Ahead in the Debate > > > > >> >http://www.alternet.org/election08/100565/ > > > >> > In the first head-to-head debate of the 2008 campaign, the financial > > > >> > crisis dragged what the McCain camp had hoped would be fought in the > > > >> > GOP nominee's comfort zone -- foreign policy and national security -- > > > >> > squarely into the realm of domestic policy. > > > >> > Moderator Jim Lehrer made a smooth transition to the voters' top > > > >> > concern in this election, saying that we were facing a potential > > > >> > meltdown of the global economy, which was by definition a matter of > > > >> > "national security." > > > > >> > What followed was a microcosm of the 2008 race: Barack Obama > > > >> > dominated > > > >> > John McCain when the focus of the debate was on the domestic sphere > > > >> > and a fast-deteriorating financial sector, but ceded an enormous > > > >> > amount of political space to McCain on national security, accepting > > > >> > much of the Arizona senator's overarching neoconservative narrative > > > >> > that the United States is surrounded by mortal danger and evildoers > > > >> > and has a moral duty to maintain our forces in Iraq and elsewhere in > > > >> > order to defend the homeland. > > > > >> > McCain appeared twitchy and out of touch as the debate began with the > > > >> > banking meltdown and the Bush-Paulson plan to reverse it. He blinked > > > >> > rapidly and avoided eye contact with Obama, Lehrer and the audience > > > >> > as > > > >> > Obama came out swinging against McCain for enabling the "root causes" > > > >> > of the crisis to develop during decades in the Congress, including a > > > >> > long stint on the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and > > > >> > Transportation. > > > > >> > Obama articulately condemned what he called a "philosophy that says > > > >> > that regulation is always bad," and blamed its pervasiveness for the > > > >> > economic mess. McCain, moments before saying that we have the > > > >> > "greatest workers in the world" (and that the United States is > > > >> > simultaneously the "greatest importer" and "greatest exporter" in the > > > >> > world), tried to shift blame from Wall Street to Main Street -- from > > > >> > predatory lenders and fast-and-loose brokers to those who find > > > >> > themselves with a home on the bubble today. > > > > >> > It's a losing strategy. > > > > >> > Obama, on the other hand, must be extremely confident that this > > > >> > election will be decided on the economy, as he failed to challenge > > > >> > McCain on his belligerent stance toward the rest of the world. > > > > >> > He conceded that the "surge has worked" -- it has not. He tried to go > > > >> > toe to toe with John "Bomb, Bomb Iran" McCain on the evils of Iran. > > > >> > He > > > >> > called Venezuela a "rogue state." He engaged in a bit of > > > >> > fearmongering > > > >> > himself, saying that while he supports missile defense -- a > > > >> > boondoggle > > > >> > if ever there was one -- the greatest threat we face is from suitcase > > > >> > nukes. > > > > >> > As Obama agreed with so much of McCain's worldview, McCain's > > > >> > discomfort disappeared, and he landed several good knocks on Obama. > > > >> > He > > > >> > repeatedly called him "naive." > > > > >> > But, in the final analysis, a day after Washington Mutual went down > > > >> > in > > > >> > flames, I doubt that it'll be enough to get McCain out of the hole in > > > >> > which he finds himself. > > > > >> > Don Hazen: > > > > >> > If you were an Obama champion and wanted McCain to fall flat, you > > > >> > were > > > >> > disappointed. McCain is a tough, pugnacious debater, and he tried to > > > >> > control the talk time, going on and on. He's knowledgeable, and as we > > > >> > know, he whipped all of the Republicans during the primaries. But the > > > >> > big picture is that McCain probably had to do better since he is > > > >> > behind on the momentum and had to beat Obama with his supposed > > > >> > strength -- foreign affairs -- and there is a consensus among the > > > >> > commentators that he didn't do that. > > > > >> > If you reflect more on the meta or emotional level, McCain spent most > > > >> > of his time talking about the past and focused on Iraq -- making sure > > > >> > everyone knew that we had to win. That was the most important point > > > >> > he > > > >> > needed to make. But if this election is about change, then McCain > > > >> > reinforced his role as part of the problem. For most of the public, > > > >> > Iraq is past tense. Sixty percent think the economy is the key issue. > > > >> > And in terms of bread and butter, the numbers that people are likely > > > >> > to remember are not the $18 billion earmarks discussion, but rather > > > >> > the fact that 95 percent of the population will get a tax cut with > > > >> > Obama -- everyone who makes under $250,000. Meanwhile, the figure > > > >> > associated with McCain is likely to be $300 billion in tax cuts for > > > >> > corporations and the wealthy, while we have a huge deficit. Obama had > > > >> > to make kitchen table points stick, and he seemed to achieve that, > > > >> > repeating these points several times. > > > > >> > The pundits were also speculating that independent voters didn't like > > > >> > McCain's condescension and repeating that Obama "doesn't get it." > > > >> > Here > > > >> > McCain could be seen as the cranky older guy, sounding a little > > > >> > insecure, while Obama didn't rise to the bait. In fact, Obama agreed > > > >> > with McCain a number of times, suggesting that Obama was more capable > > > >> > of working across the aisle. > > > > >> > 123Next page »- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
