Plain Ol' doesn't believe in the United States' right to defend itself. ---- We weren't attacked by Afghanistan or Iraq. massive military attacks on weak, third world nations for the actions of a few is wrong. destroying their nation and rebuilding it with our tax dollars is fucking insanity.
The Good News! As America becomes more secular the religious will lose political power and be forced to fund and fight their own silly religious wars. On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:12:41 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > > Plain Ol' doesn't believe in the United States' right to defend itself. > We've seen folks who believed like Plain Ol' did, and thankfully, we have > those who are not willing to repeat past mistakes with murdering tyrannical > governments. > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:41 PM, plainolamerican > <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> everything Iran does to the USA is regarded as revenge for meddling >> Americans who interfere with their government. >> Warmongers Beware!!! >> >> On Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:19:30 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *‘Rushing’ to War with Iran?* >>> >>> Posted By *Adam Turner* On December 19, 2013 >>> >>> In November, there was some talk of “a march (or rush) to war” against >>> Iran. >>> >>> The Obama Administration used this >>> line<https://web.archive.org/web/20131113154723/http:/news.yahoo.com/white-house-warns-congress-opposing-iran-deal-could-183651386.html>to >>> dismiss those – including EMET – who dared to disbelieve the sincerity >>> of negotiations regarding the Iranian regime’s program to develop nuclear >>> weapons, and seek to expand U.S. sanctions against that nation so as to >>> keep the pressure on them to prove their sincerity. >>> >>> The major problem with this charge is that Iran and the U.S. are already >>> at war <http://emetonline.org/emettv/ledeen/01.html>. And every few >>> years, Iran or its proxies (most especially Hezbollah) conducts another >>> hostile act, which results in the death or harming of Americans. >>> >>> Here are just some of the acts of war Iran has conducted against the U.S. >>> >>> In 1979, Iranian students stormed the U.S. Embassy, and >>> took<http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/15/world/meast/iran-hostage-crisis-fast-facts/>52 >>> (originally 66) of its personnel hostage for 444 days. Iranian Foreign >>> Minister I. Yazdi, along with other Iranian officials, >>> indicated<http://books.google.com/books?id=yaOknKJ3bNgC&pg=PA287&lpg=PA287&dq=seizing+embassies+violation+of+international+law&source=bl&ots=Hw7z5o3lsI&sig=9dqAZkHYYtUFwyM8xPROCT97u4Y&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DT6vUuvWDcarkAfZ6oCQBg&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBg>official >>> Iranian support for the seizure when he said, “The action of the >>> students enjoys the endorsement and support of the government.” Reza >>> Kahlili describes the seizure in his book A *Time to Betray: The >>> Astonishing Double Life of a CIA Agent Inside the Revolutionary Guards of >>> Iran*: >>> >>> This was not a rout. It was not an act of passion. It seemed too >>> managed for that. The people who rushed in seemed to know one another and >>> to know what to do. Military members of the Guards arrived quickly. I >>> wondered how they heard about the break-in so fast. Then the Komiteh, the >>> religious police recently given official status by Khomeini, came and >>> promised to keep order. But the only thing they kept orderly was the >>> takeover itself. Busloads of people arrived and joined the demonstration, >>> another sign that this gathering was not spontaneous. Within minutes, the >>> protesters controlled the compound. >>> >>> For its illegal actions, the Iranian regime was cited by the International >>> Court of >>> Justice<http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?sum=334&p1=3&p2=3&case=64&p3=5>and >>> by the U.N. through two >>> U.N. >>> Resolutions<http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Documents/461.pdf>for >>> its violation of Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 1961 the >>> international treaty that governs diplomatic immunity. >>> >>> Iran set >>> up<http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Yadlin-Scope-of-Iranian-retaliation-to-potential-strike-is-exaggerated-334035>, >>> >>> continues to support, and often directs, Hezbollah, a State >>> Department-listed Lebanese terror group that has kidnapped, tortured, >>> harmed, and/or killed Americans. In 1983, Hezbollah bombed the U.S. Marine >>> Barracks in Beirut and killed 241 American servicemen who were sent to >>> Lebanon for peacekeeping purposes. Hezbollah is >>> believed<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/hizbollah.html>to >>> have kidnapped and tortured to death U.S. Army colonel William Higgins >>> and the CIA Station Chief in Beirut, William Buckley. It kidnapped around >>> 30 other Westerners between 1982 and 1992. Imad Mughniyah, a former senior >>> Hezbollah leader, was, prior to 911, >>> “responsible<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/20/AR2007082000980_pf.html>for >>> the deaths of more Americans than any other terrorist.” He and two >>> other members of Hezbollah, Hasan Izz-al-Din, and Ali Atwa, were on the >>> FBI’s list of 22 Most Wanted Terrorists for the hijacking in 1985 of TWA >>> Flight 847 during which a U.S. Navy diver was murdered. In 2007, Hezbollah >>> operative Ali Mussa Daqduq allegedly >>> played<http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/365813/why-obama-administration-courting-hezbollah-jonathan-spyer-benjamin-weinthal>a >>> significant role in the killings of five U.S. soldiers in Iraq. In 2011, >>> the U.S. government >>> seized<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/hizbollah.html>drug >>> profits linked to Ayman Joumaa, a drug trafficker and money launderer, >>> linked to Hezbollah, and in April 2013, the U.S. Treasury Department took >>> action against Hezbollah for working as a drug cartel. >>> >>> Iran was involved in the 911 terrorist attacks. A U.S. District Judge “ >>> ruled <http://www.bloomberg.com/article/2011-12-23/aYoOcZ6NT3wo.html>that >>> Iran and Hezbollah materially and directly supported al Qaeda in the >>> September 11, 2001 attacks and are legally responsible for damages to >>> hundreds of family members of 9/11 victims who are plaintiffs in the >>> case.” Also, post-911, the Iranian regime >>> protected<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/20/AR2007082000980_pf.html>members >>> of al-Qaeda, including the son of Bin Ladin, even as the latter >>> planned and implemented other bombings that wounded or killed civilians. >>> Because of these and many other actions, the U.S. State >>> Department describes Iran >>> as<http://www.theettingerreport.com/Palestinian-Issue/The-Iran-Nuclear-Agreement-and-the-Common-Sense-Te.aspx>the >>> “leading sponsor of anti-U.S. Islamic terrorism.” >>> >>> This position is neither controversial nor partisan. Jeffery Goldberg >>> noted in *The Atlantic*, Iran is “is waging >>> war<http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/07/iran-killing-american-troops-in-iraq-and-afghanistan/241486/>against >>> the United States of America” in Iraq. Michael Ledeen writing in *The >>> Weekly Standard*, reaches the same conclusion saying, “(T)here is >>> abundant >>> evidence<http://old.nationalreview.com/ledeen/ledeen200603280728.asp>for >>> Iranian involvement in Iraq, most including their relentless efforts to >>> kill American soldiers. The evidence consists of first-hand information, >>> not intelligence reports. Scores of Iranian intelligence officers have >>> been arrested, and some have confessed. Documentary evidence of intimate >>> Iranian involvement with Iraqi terrorists has been found all over Iraq, >>> notably in Fallujah and Hilla.” >>> >>> These facts have been widely reported. During the U.S. occupation of >>> Iraq (from 2003-2011), hundreds of American soldiers were killed or wounded >>> by roadside >>> bombs<http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-30/iran-again-arming-iraqi-groups-attacking-u-s-troops-gates-says.html>or >>> other >>> weapons<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8624489/Iran-supporting-Shiite-groups-in-Iraq-that-are-killing-US-troops.html>that >>> were constructed, and supplied, by Iran to Iraqi rebels. The Iranians >>> gave <http://pjmedia.com/blog/how-iran-is-killing-us-troops-in-iraq/>these >>> IEDs to both Shiites and Sunnis alike. >>> >>> Iran has consistently grabbed American citizens and held them hostage. >>> The latest three are: >>> >>> • In 2007, former FBI agent Robert Levinson was >>> seized<http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/robert-levinson-still-a-hostage-in-iran/2013/11/25/604319f0-55f9-11e3-ba82-16ed03681809_story.html>. >>> >>> (Even if reports that Levinson is a spy are true, Iran’s response of making >>> him disappear is unusual and particularly aggressive.) >>> >>> • In 2011, former U.S. Marine Amir Hekmati was >>> taken<http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/11/world/meast/iran-american-prisoner/>while >>> visiting his grandmother. >>> >>> • In 2012, Pastor Saeed Abedini was >>> grabbed<http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/12/06/congress-to-hold-hearing-on-plight-jailed-iranian-american-pastor/>while >>> visiting relatives in Iran. >>> >>> In 2011, Iran >>> plotted<http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/2011/10/11/gIQAiaYxcL_story.html>to >>> bomb a Georgetown restaurant to kill a prominent Saudi diplomat. “The >>> Justice Department unsealed charges against two Iranians — one of them a >>> U.S. citizen — accusing them of orchestrating an elaborate murder-for-hire >>> plot that targeted Adel al-Jubeir, the Saudi envoy to Washington and a key >>> adviser to King Abdullah. The Iranians planned to employ Mexican drug >>> traffickers to kill Jubeir with a bomb as he ate at a restaurant, U.S. >>> officials said.” Needless to say, this might have killed dozens, if not >>> hundreds, of American civilians on our own soil. Luckily, this bombing was >>> prevented. >>> >>> At the same time, the Iranian regime continues to pour out harsh >>> rhetoric towards the U.S. Every year since 1979, on November 4th, the day >>> the Embassy was seized, the Iranian regime >>> sponsors<http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/04/thousands-of-iranians-shout-death-to-america-burn-flags-to-mark-anniversary-of-u-s-embassy-takeover/>a >>> “Death to America” day. The Iranian regime continually >>> refers<http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2013/10/11/-Death-to-America-the-Great-Satan-.html> >>> to >>> the United States, as “The Great Satan”, and Israel as merely “The Minor >>> Satan.” The Iranian regime promotes demonstrations where the American >>> flag is spat on, burned, or tread upon. They have even >>> turned<http://freebeacon.com/former-u-s-embassy-in-iran-turned-into-anti-american-museum/>the >>> Embassy that they illegally seized into an anti-American museum. >>> >>> Of course, none of these facts really matter to the President, and his >>> Administration. As we have discovered, they live in a utopian dream world, >>> where facts do not >>> exist<http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/obamas-stable-world-delusion/>; >>> red lines >>> disappear<http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/120513-681885-obama-sacrifices-syria-victims-for-iran-deal.htm>; >>> >>> lies are >>> true<http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/12/12/3814911/politifacts-lie-of-the-year-president.html>, >>> >>> and peace on earth only requires a little “smart >>> diplomacy<http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/?s=smart+diplomacy>” >>> by the Administration. >>> >>> So, because President Obama believes that the U.S. and Iran are not at >>> war, then we aren’t. And, according to the argument of the Obama >>> Administration, their critics are guilty of trying to march us into a war >>> that – according to international law and common sense – we have already >>> been embroiled in for almost thirty-five years now. >>> >>> *Freedom Center pamphlets now available on Kindle: **Click >>> here*<http://www.amazon.com/s/ref%3dnb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=david+horowitz&rh=n:133140011%2ck:david+horowitz&ajr=0#/ref=sr_st?keywords=david+horowitz&qid=1316459840&rh=n:133140011%2ck:david+horowitz&sort=daterank>*. >>> >>> * >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Article printed from FrontPage Magazine: *http://www.frontpagemag.com >>> <http://www.frontpagemag.com>* >>> >>> URL to article: >>> *http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/adam-turner/rushing-to-war-with-iran/ >>> <http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/adam-turner/rushing-to-war-with-iran/>* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __._,_.___ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __,_._,___ >>> >>> >>> -- >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. 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