And those who are pacifists and sit idly by like women and children die too.
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:05 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > wrote: > Warmongers Beware! > Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword. > > > On Friday, December 20, 2013 9:05:53 AM UTC-6, Travis wrote: > >> I think about 20 megatons dropped on that big black outhouse in Mecca at >> the height of the Haj would be appropriate. >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> America was founded upon Christian principles and tenets, and those will >>> become stronger as time progresses. You cannot revise history as you and >>> your far left ilk would like. >>> >>> Iran has attacked us, along with those terrorists that both Afghanistan >>> and Iraq supported, trained, and housed. They got what was coming to them. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:45 AM, plainolamerican >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Plain Ol' doesn't believe in the United States' right to defend itself. >>>> ---- >>>> We weren't attacked by Afghanistan or Iraq. >>>> massive military attacks on weak, third world nations for the actions >>>> of a few is wrong. >>>> destroying their nation and rebuilding it with our tax dollars is >>>> fucking insanity. >>>> >>>> The Good News! >>>> As America becomes more secular the religious will lose political power >>>> and be forced to fund and fight their own silly religious wars. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:12:41 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>> >>>>> Plain Ol' doesn't believe in the United States' right to defend >>>>> itself. We've seen folks who believed like Plain Ol' did, and thankfully, >>>>> we have those who are not willing to repeat past mistakes with murdering >>>>> tyrannical governments. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:41 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> everything Iran does to the USA is regarded as revenge for meddling >>>>>> Americans who interfere with their government. >>>>>> Warmongers Beware!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:19:30 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *‘Rushing’ to War with Iran?* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Posted By *Adam Turner* On December 19, 2013 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In November, there was some talk of “a march (or rush) to war” >>>>>>> against Iran. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Obama Administration used this >>>>>>> line<https://web.archive.org/web/20131113154723/http:/news.yahoo.com/white-house-warns-congress-opposing-iran-deal-could-183651386.html>to >>>>>>> dismiss those – including EMET – who dared to disbelieve the sincerity >>>>>>> of negotiations regarding the Iranian regime’s program to develop >>>>>>> nuclear >>>>>>> weapons, and seek to expand U.S. sanctions against that nation so as to >>>>>>> keep the pressure on them to prove their sincerity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The major problem with this charge is that Iran and the U.S. are already >>>>>>> at war <http://emetonline.org/emettv/ledeen/01.html>. And every >>>>>>> few years, Iran or its proxies (most especially Hezbollah) conducts >>>>>>> another >>>>>>> hostile act, which results in the death or harming of Americans. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here are just some of the acts of war Iran has conducted against the >>>>>>> U.S. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In 1979, Iranian students stormed the U.S. Embassy, and >>>>>>> took<http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/15/world/meast/iran-hostage-crisis-fast-facts/>52 >>>>>>> (originally 66) of its personnel hostage for 444 days. Iranian Foreign >>>>>>> Minister I. Yazdi, along with other Iranian officials, >>>>>>> indicated<http://books.google.com/books?id=yaOknKJ3bNgC&pg=PA287&lpg=PA287&dq=seizing+embassies+violation+of+international+law&source=bl&ots=Hw7z5o3lsI&sig=9dqAZkHYYtUFwyM8xPROCT97u4Y&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DT6vUuvWDcarkAfZ6oCQBg&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBg>official >>>>>>> Iranian support for the seizure when he said, “The action of the >>>>>>> students enjoys the endorsement and support of the government.” Reza >>>>>>> Kahlili describes the seizure in his book A *Time to Betray: The >>>>>>> Astonishing Double Life of a CIA Agent Inside the Revolutionary Guards >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> Iran*: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This was not a rout. It was not an act of passion. It seemed too >>>>>>> managed for that. The people who rushed in seemed to know one another >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> to know what to do. Military members of the Guards arrived quickly. I >>>>>>> wondered how they heard about the break-in so fast. Then the Komiteh, >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> religious police recently given official status by Khomeini, came and >>>>>>> promised to keep order. But the only thing they kept orderly was the >>>>>>> takeover itself. Busloads of people arrived and joined the >>>>>>> demonstration, >>>>>>> another sign that this gathering was not spontaneous. Within minutes, >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> protesters controlled the compound. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For its illegal actions, the Iranian regime was cited by the >>>>>>> International >>>>>>> Court of >>>>>>> Justice<http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?sum=334&p1=3&p2=3&case=64&p3=5>and >>>>>>> by the U.N. through two >>>>>>> U.N. >>>>>>> Resolutions<http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Documents/461.pdf>for >>>>>>> its violation of Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 1961 the >>>>>>> international treaty that governs diplomatic immunity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Iran set >>>>>>> up<http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Yadlin-Scope-of-Iranian-retaliation-to-potential-strike-is-exaggerated-334035>, >>>>>>> continues to support, and often directs, Hezbollah, a State >>>>>>> Department-listed Lebanese terror group that has kidnapped, tortured, >>>>>>> harmed, and/or killed Americans. In 1983, Hezbollah bombed the U.S. >>>>>>> Marine >>>>>>> Barracks in Beirut and killed 241 American servicemen who were sent to >>>>>>> Lebanon for peacekeeping purposes. Hezbollah is >>>>>>> believed<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/hizbollah.html>to >>>>>>> have kidnapped and tortured to death U.S. Army colonel William Higgins >>>>>>> and the CIA Station Chief in Beirut, William Buckley. It kidnapped >>>>>>> around >>>>>>> 30 other Westerners between 1982 and 1992. Imad Mughniyah, a former >>>>>>> senior >>>>>>> Hezbollah leader, was, prior to 911, >>>>>>> “responsible<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/20/AR2007082000980_pf.html>for >>>>>>> the deaths of more Americans than any other terrorist.” He and two >>>>>>> other members of Hezbollah, Hasan Izz-al-Din, and Ali Atwa, were on the >>>>>>> FBI’s list of 22 Most Wanted Terrorists for the hijacking in 1985 of TWA >>>>>>> Flight 847 during which a U.S. Navy diver was murdered. In 2007, >>>>>>> Hezbollah >>>>>>> operative Ali Mussa Daqduq allegedly >>>>>>> played<http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/365813/why-obama-administration-courting-hezbollah-jonathan-spyer-benjamin-weinthal>a >>>>>>> significant role in the killings of five U.S. soldiers in Iraq. In >>>>>>> 2011, >>>>>>> the U.S. government >>>>>>> seized<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/hizbollah.html>drug >>>>>>> profits linked to Ayman Joumaa, a drug trafficker and money launderer, >>>>>>> linked to Hezbollah, and in April 2013, the U.S. Treasury Department >>>>>>> took >>>>>>> action against Hezbollah for working as a drug cartel. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Iran was involved in the 911 terrorist attacks. A U.S. District >>>>>>> Judge >>>>>>> “ruled<http://www.bloomberg.com/article/2011-12-23/aYoOcZ6NT3wo.html>that >>>>>>> Iran and Hezbollah materially and directly supported al Qaeda in the >>>>>>> September 11, 2001 attacks and are legally responsible for damages to >>>>>>> hundreds of family members of 9/11 victims who are plaintiffs in the >>>>>>> case.” Also, post-911, the Iranian regime >>>>>>> protected<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/20/AR2007082000980_pf.html>members >>>>>>> of al-Qaeda, including the son of Bin Ladin, even as the latter >>>>>>> planned and implemented other bombings that wounded or killed civilians. >>>>>>> Because of these and many other actions, the U.S. State >>>>>>> Department describes Iran >>>>>>> as<http://www.theettingerreport.com/Palestinian-Issue/The-Iran-Nuclear-Agreement-and-the-Common-Sense-Te.aspx>the >>>>>>> “leading sponsor of anti-U.S. Islamic terrorism.” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This position is neither controversial nor partisan. Jeffery >>>>>>> Goldberg noted in *The Atlantic*, Iran is “is waging >>>>>>> war<http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/07/iran-killing-american-troops-in-iraq-and-afghanistan/241486/>against >>>>>>> the United States of America” in Iraq. Michael Ledeen writing in *The >>>>>>> Weekly Standard*, reaches the same conclusion saying, “(T)here is >>>>>>> abundant >>>>>>> evidence<http://old.nationalreview.com/ledeen/ledeen200603280728.asp>for >>>>>>> Iranian involvement in Iraq, most including their relentless efforts to >>>>>>> kill American soldiers. The evidence consists of first-hand >>>>>>> information, >>>>>>> not intelligence reports. Scores of Iranian intelligence officers have >>>>>>> been arrested, and some have confessed. Documentary evidence of >>>>>>> intimate >>>>>>> Iranian involvement with Iraqi terrorists has been found all over Iraq, >>>>>>> notably in Fallujah and Hilla.” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> These facts have been widely reported. During the U.S. occupation of >>>>>>> Iraq (from 2003-2011), hundreds of American soldiers were killed or >>>>>>> wounded >>>>>>> by roadside >>>>>>> bombs<http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-30/iran-again-arming-iraqi-groups-attacking-u-s-troops-gates-says.html>or >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> weapons<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8624489/Iran-supporting-Shiite-groups-in-Iraq-that-are-killing-US-troops.html>that >>>>>>> were constructed, and supplied, by Iran to Iraqi rebels. The Iranians >>>>>>> gave<http://pjmedia.com/blog/how-iran-is-killing-us-troops-in-iraq/>these >>>>>>> IEDs to both Shiites and Sunnis alike. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Iran has consistently grabbed American citizens and held them >>>>>>> hostage. The latest three are: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> • In 2007, former FBI agent Robert Levinson was >>>>>>> seized<http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/robert-levinson-still-a-hostage-in-iran/2013/11/25/604319f0-55f9-11e3-ba82-16ed03681809_story.html>. >>>>>>> (Even if reports that Levinson is a spy are true, Iran’s response of >>>>>>> making >>>>>>> him disappear is unusual and particularly aggressive.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> • In 2011, former U.S. Marine Amir Hekmati was >>>>>>> taken<http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/11/world/meast/iran-american-prisoner/>while >>>>>>> visiting his grandmother. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> • In 2012, Pastor Saeed Abedini was >>>>>>> grabbed<http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/12/06/congress-to-hold-hearing-on-plight-jailed-iranian-american-pastor/>while >>>>>>> visiting relatives in Iran. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In 2011, Iran >>>>>>> plotted<http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/2011/10/11/gIQAiaYxcL_story.html>to >>>>>>> bomb a Georgetown restaurant to kill a prominent Saudi diplomat. “The >>>>>>> Justice Department unsealed charges against two Iranians — one of them a >>>>>>> U.S. citizen — accusing them of orchestrating an elaborate >>>>>>> murder-for-hire >>>>>>> plot that targeted Adel al-Jubeir, the Saudi envoy to Washington and a >>>>>>> key >>>>>>> adviser to King Abdullah. The Iranians planned to employ Mexican drug >>>>>>> traffickers to kill Jubeir with a bomb as he ate at a restaurant, U.S. >>>>>>> officials said.” Needless to say, this might have killed dozens, if not >>>>>>> hundreds, of American civilians on our own soil. Luckily, this bombing >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> prevented. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At the same time, the Iranian regime continues to pour out harsh >>>>>>> rhetoric towards the U.S. Every year since 1979, on November 4th, the >>>>>>> day >>>>>>> the Embassy was seized, the Iranian regime >>>>>>> sponsors<http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/04/thousands-of-iranians-shout-death-to-america-burn-flags-to-mark-anniversary-of-u-s-embassy-takeover/>a >>>>>>> “Death to America” day. The Iranian regime continually >>>>>>> refers<http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2013/10/11/-Death-to-America-the-Great-Satan-.html> >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> the United States, as “The Great Satan”, and Israel as merely “The Minor >>>>>>> Satan.” The Iranian regime promotes demonstrations where the American >>>>>>> flag is spat on, burned, or tread upon. They have even >>>>>>> turned<http://freebeacon.com/former-u-s-embassy-in-iran-turned-into-anti-american-museum/>the >>>>>>> Embassy that they illegally seized into an anti-American museum. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course, none of these facts really matter to the President, and >>>>>>> his Administration. As we have discovered, they live in a utopian dream >>>>>>> world, where facts do not >>>>>>> exist<http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/obamas-stable-world-delusion/>; >>>>>>> red lines >>>>>>> disappear<http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/120513-681885-obama-sacrifices-syria-victims-for-iran-deal.htm>; >>>>>>> lies are >>>>>>> true<http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/12/12/3814911/politifacts-lie-of-the-year-president.html>, >>>>>>> and peace on earth only requires a little “smart >>>>>>> diplomacy<http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/?s=smart+diplomacy>” >>>>>>> by the Administration. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, because President Obama believes that the U.S. and Iran are not >>>>>>> at war, then we aren’t. And, according to the argument of the Obama >>>>>>> Administration, their critics are guilty of trying to march us into a >>>>>>> war >>>>>>> that – according to international law and common sense – we have already >>>>>>> been embroiled in for almost thirty-five years now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Freedom Center pamphlets now available on Kindle: **Click >>>>>>> here*<http://www.amazon.com/s/ref%3dnb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=david+horowitz&rh=n:133140011%2ck:david+horowitz&ajr=0#/ref=sr_st?keywords=david+horowitz&qid=1316459840&rh=n:133140011%2ck:david+horowitz&sort=daterank>*. >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Article printed from FrontPage Magazine: *http://www.frontpagemag.com >>>>>>> <http://www.frontpagemag.com>* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> URL to article: >>>>>>> *http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/adam-turner/rushing-to-war-with-iran/ >>>>>>> <http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/adam-turner/rushing-to-war-with-iran/>* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> __._,_.___ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> __,_._,___ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>> >>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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