I think about 20 megatons dropped on that big black outhouse in Mecca at the height of the Haj would be appropriate.
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>wrote: > America was founded upon Christian principles and tenets, and those will > become stronger as time progresses. You cannot revise history as you and > your far left ilk would like. > > Iran has attacked us, along with those terrorists that both Afghanistan > and Iraq supported, trained, and housed. They got what was coming to them. > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:45 AM, plainolamerican < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Plain Ol' doesn't believe in the United States' right to defend itself. >> ---- >> We weren't attacked by Afghanistan or Iraq. >> massive military attacks on weak, third world nations for the actions of >> a few is wrong. >> destroying their nation and rebuilding it with our tax dollars is fucking >> insanity. >> >> The Good News! >> As America becomes more secular the religious will lose political power >> and be forced to fund and fight their own silly religious wars. >> >> >> On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:12:41 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >>> Plain Ol' doesn't believe in the United States' right to defend itself. >>> We've seen folks who believed like Plain Ol' did, and thankfully, we have >>> those who are not willing to repeat past mistakes with murdering tyrannical >>> governments. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:41 PM, plainolamerican >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> everything Iran does to the USA is regarded as revenge for meddling >>>> Americans who interfere with their government. >>>> Warmongers Beware!!! >>>> >>>> On Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:19:30 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *‘Rushing’ to War with Iran?* >>>>> >>>>> Posted By *Adam Turner* On December 19, 2013 >>>>> >>>>> In November, there was some talk of “a march (or rush) to war” against >>>>> Iran. >>>>> >>>>> The Obama Administration used this >>>>> line<https://web.archive.org/web/20131113154723/http:/news.yahoo.com/white-house-warns-congress-opposing-iran-deal-could-183651386.html>to >>>>> dismiss those – including EMET – who dared to disbelieve the sincerity >>>>> of negotiations regarding the Iranian regime’s program to develop nuclear >>>>> weapons, and seek to expand U.S. sanctions against that nation so as to >>>>> keep the pressure on them to prove their sincerity. >>>>> >>>>> The major problem with this charge is that Iran and the U.S. are already >>>>> at war <http://emetonline.org/emettv/ledeen/01.html>. And every few >>>>> years, Iran or its proxies (most especially Hezbollah) conducts another >>>>> hostile act, which results in the death or harming of Americans. >>>>> >>>>> Here are just some of the acts of war Iran has conducted against the >>>>> U.S. >>>>> >>>>> In 1979, Iranian students stormed the U.S. Embassy, and >>>>> took<http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/15/world/meast/iran-hostage-crisis-fast-facts/>52 >>>>> (originally 66) of its personnel hostage for 444 days. Iranian Foreign >>>>> Minister I. Yazdi, along with other Iranian officials, >>>>> indicated<http://books.google.com/books?id=yaOknKJ3bNgC&pg=PA287&lpg=PA287&dq=seizing+embassies+violation+of+international+law&source=bl&ots=Hw7z5o3lsI&sig=9dqAZkHYYtUFwyM8xPROCT97u4Y&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DT6vUuvWDcarkAfZ6oCQBg&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBg>official >>>>> Iranian support for the seizure when he said, “The action of the >>>>> students enjoys the endorsement and support of the government.” Reza >>>>> Kahlili describes the seizure in his book A *Time to Betray: The >>>>> Astonishing Double Life of a CIA Agent Inside the Revolutionary Guards of >>>>> Iran*: >>>>> >>>>> This was not a rout. It was not an act of passion. It seemed too >>>>> managed for that. The people who rushed in seemed to know one another and >>>>> to know what to do. Military members of the Guards arrived quickly. I >>>>> wondered how they heard about the break-in so fast. Then the Komiteh, the >>>>> religious police recently given official status by Khomeini, came and >>>>> promised to keep order. But the only thing they kept orderly was the >>>>> takeover itself. Busloads of people arrived and joined the demonstration, >>>>> another sign that this gathering was not spontaneous. Within minutes, the >>>>> protesters controlled the compound. >>>>> >>>>> For its illegal actions, the Iranian regime was cited by the International >>>>> Court of >>>>> Justice<http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?sum=334&p1=3&p2=3&case=64&p3=5>and >>>>> by the U.N. through two >>>>> U.N. >>>>> Resolutions<http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Documents/461.pdf>for >>>>> its violation of Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 1961 the >>>>> international treaty that governs diplomatic immunity. >>>>> >>>>> Iran set >>>>> up<http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Yadlin-Scope-of-Iranian-retaliation-to-potential-strike-is-exaggerated-334035>, >>>>> continues to support, and often directs, Hezbollah, a State >>>>> Department-listed Lebanese terror group that has kidnapped, tortured, >>>>> harmed, and/or killed Americans. In 1983, Hezbollah bombed the U.S. >>>>> Marine >>>>> Barracks in Beirut and killed 241 American servicemen who were sent to >>>>> Lebanon for peacekeeping purposes. Hezbollah is >>>>> believed<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/hizbollah.html>to >>>>> have kidnapped and tortured to death U.S. Army colonel William Higgins >>>>> and the CIA Station Chief in Beirut, William Buckley. It kidnapped around >>>>> 30 other Westerners between 1982 and 1992. Imad Mughniyah, a former >>>>> senior >>>>> Hezbollah leader, was, prior to 911, >>>>> “responsible<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/20/AR2007082000980_pf.html>for >>>>> the deaths of more Americans than any other terrorist.” He and two >>>>> other members of Hezbollah, Hasan Izz-al-Din, and Ali Atwa, were on the >>>>> FBI’s list of 22 Most Wanted Terrorists for the hijacking in 1985 of TWA >>>>> Flight 847 during which a U.S. Navy diver was murdered. In 2007, >>>>> Hezbollah >>>>> operative Ali Mussa Daqduq allegedly >>>>> played<http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/365813/why-obama-administration-courting-hezbollah-jonathan-spyer-benjamin-weinthal>a >>>>> significant role in the killings of five U.S. soldiers in Iraq. In 2011, >>>>> the U.S. government >>>>> seized<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/hizbollah.html>drug >>>>> profits linked to Ayman Joumaa, a drug trafficker and money launderer, >>>>> linked to Hezbollah, and in April 2013, the U.S. Treasury Department took >>>>> action against Hezbollah for working as a drug cartel. >>>>> >>>>> Iran was involved in the 911 terrorist attacks. A U.S. District Judge >>>>> “ruled >>>>> <http://www.bloomberg.com/article/2011-12-23/aYoOcZ6NT3wo.html>that Iran >>>>> and Hezbollah materially and directly supported al Qaeda in the >>>>> September 11, 2001 attacks and are legally responsible for damages to >>>>> hundreds of family members of 9/11 victims who are plaintiffs in the >>>>> case.” Also, post-911, the Iranian regime >>>>> protected<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/20/AR2007082000980_pf.html>members >>>>> of al-Qaeda, including the son of Bin Ladin, even as the latter >>>>> planned and implemented other bombings that wounded or killed civilians. >>>>> Because of these and many other actions, the U.S. State >>>>> Department describes Iran >>>>> as<http://www.theettingerreport.com/Palestinian-Issue/The-Iran-Nuclear-Agreement-and-the-Common-Sense-Te.aspx>the >>>>> “leading sponsor of anti-U.S. Islamic terrorism.” >>>>> >>>>> This position is neither controversial nor partisan. Jeffery Goldberg >>>>> noted in *The Atlantic*, Iran is “is waging >>>>> war<http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/07/iran-killing-american-troops-in-iraq-and-afghanistan/241486/>against >>>>> the United States of America” in Iraq. Michael Ledeen writing in *The >>>>> Weekly Standard*, reaches the same conclusion saying, “(T)here is >>>>> abundant >>>>> evidence<http://old.nationalreview.com/ledeen/ledeen200603280728.asp>for >>>>> Iranian involvement in Iraq, most including their relentless efforts to >>>>> kill American soldiers. The evidence consists of first-hand information, >>>>> not intelligence reports. Scores of Iranian intelligence officers have >>>>> been arrested, and some have confessed. Documentary evidence of intimate >>>>> Iranian involvement with Iraqi terrorists has been found all over Iraq, >>>>> notably in Fallujah and Hilla.” >>>>> >>>>> These facts have been widely reported. During the U.S. occupation of >>>>> Iraq (from 2003-2011), hundreds of American soldiers were killed or >>>>> wounded >>>>> by roadside >>>>> bombs<http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-30/iran-again-arming-iraqi-groups-attacking-u-s-troops-gates-says.html>or >>>>> other >>>>> weapons<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8624489/Iran-supporting-Shiite-groups-in-Iraq-that-are-killing-US-troops.html>that >>>>> were constructed, and supplied, by Iran to Iraqi rebels. The Iranians >>>>> gave >>>>> <http://pjmedia.com/blog/how-iran-is-killing-us-troops-in-iraq/>these >>>>> IEDs to both Shiites and Sunnis alike. >>>>> >>>>> Iran has consistently grabbed American citizens and held them >>>>> hostage. The latest three are: >>>>> >>>>> • In 2007, former FBI agent Robert Levinson was >>>>> seized<http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/robert-levinson-still-a-hostage-in-iran/2013/11/25/604319f0-55f9-11e3-ba82-16ed03681809_story.html>. >>>>> (Even if reports that Levinson is a spy are true, Iran’s response of >>>>> making >>>>> him disappear is unusual and particularly aggressive.) >>>>> >>>>> • In 2011, former U.S. Marine Amir Hekmati was >>>>> taken<http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/11/world/meast/iran-american-prisoner/>while >>>>> visiting his grandmother. >>>>> >>>>> • In 2012, Pastor Saeed Abedini was >>>>> grabbed<http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/12/06/congress-to-hold-hearing-on-plight-jailed-iranian-american-pastor/>while >>>>> visiting relatives in Iran. >>>>> >>>>> In 2011, Iran >>>>> plotted<http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/2011/10/11/gIQAiaYxcL_story.html>to >>>>> bomb a Georgetown restaurant to kill a prominent Saudi diplomat. “The >>>>> Justice Department unsealed charges against two Iranians — one of them a >>>>> U.S. citizen — accusing them of orchestrating an elaborate murder-for-hire >>>>> plot that targeted Adel al-Jubeir, the Saudi envoy to Washington and a key >>>>> adviser to King Abdullah. The Iranians planned to employ Mexican drug >>>>> traffickers to kill Jubeir with a bomb as he ate at a restaurant, U.S. >>>>> officials said.” Needless to say, this might have killed dozens, if not >>>>> hundreds, of American civilians on our own soil. Luckily, this bombing >>>>> was >>>>> prevented. >>>>> >>>>> At the same time, the Iranian regime continues to pour out harsh >>>>> rhetoric towards the U.S. Every year since 1979, on November 4th, the day >>>>> the Embassy was seized, the Iranian regime >>>>> sponsors<http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/04/thousands-of-iranians-shout-death-to-america-burn-flags-to-mark-anniversary-of-u-s-embassy-takeover/>a >>>>> “Death to America” day. The Iranian regime continually >>>>> refers<http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2013/10/11/-Death-to-America-the-Great-Satan-.html> >>>>> to >>>>> the United States, as “The Great Satan”, and Israel as merely “The Minor >>>>> Satan.” The Iranian regime promotes demonstrations where the American >>>>> flag is spat on, burned, or tread upon. They have even >>>>> turned<http://freebeacon.com/former-u-s-embassy-in-iran-turned-into-anti-american-museum/>the >>>>> Embassy that they illegally seized into an anti-American museum. >>>>> >>>>> Of course, none of these facts really matter to the President, and his >>>>> Administration. As we have discovered, they live in a utopian dream >>>>> world, >>>>> where facts do not >>>>> exist<http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/obamas-stable-world-delusion/>; >>>>> red lines >>>>> disappear<http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/120513-681885-obama-sacrifices-syria-victims-for-iran-deal.htm>; >>>>> lies are >>>>> true<http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/12/12/3814911/politifacts-lie-of-the-year-president.html>, >>>>> and peace on earth only requires a little “smart >>>>> diplomacy<http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/?s=smart+diplomacy>” >>>>> by the Administration. >>>>> >>>>> So, because President Obama believes that the U.S. and Iran are not at >>>>> war, then we aren’t. And, according to the argument of the Obama >>>>> Administration, their critics are guilty of trying to march us into a war >>>>> that – according to international law and common sense – we have already >>>>> been embroiled in for almost thirty-five years now. >>>>> >>>>> *Freedom Center pamphlets now available on Kindle: **Click >>>>> here*<http://www.amazon.com/s/ref%3dnb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=david+horowitz&rh=n:133140011%2ck:david+horowitz&ajr=0#/ref=sr_st?keywords=david+horowitz&qid=1316459840&rh=n:133140011%2ck:david+horowitz&sort=daterank>*. >>>>> * >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Article printed from FrontPage Magazine: *http://www.frontpagemag.com >>>>> <http://www.frontpagemag.com>* >>>>> >>>>> URL to article: >>>>> *http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/adam-turner/rushing-to-war-with-iran/ >>>>> <http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/adam-turner/rushing-to-war-with-iran/>* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __._,_.___ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __,_._,___ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>> >>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>> * It's active and moderated. 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