Lew Rockwell is arguably a Libertarian, and "PaleoLibertarians" is a fiction. Lew Rockwell is an asshole.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:21 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > wrote: > Older Libertarian Party > (US)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(US)> Platform > stances were more pro-open borders. The 2004 Platform called for "the > elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the > Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a > declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country > illegally". > [2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_immigration#cite_note-2> > Due > to fears from the 2001 Terrorist attack, this was changed to permit some > immigration controls. > > Within recent times, some > libertarians<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism>, > especially > paleolibertarians<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolibertarianism> such > as Lew Rockwell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lew_Rockwell> and Ron > Paul<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul>, > have voiced concerns pertaining to the traditional "open borders" policy > held by most libertarians. Hans-Hermann > Hoppe<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Hermann_Hoppe> has > argued much in his writings about open borders being against > anarcho-capitalist > theory > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism>.[15]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_immigration#cite_note-15> > > The British <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom>-based Libertarian > Alliance <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Alliance> are > prominent advocates of a restricted immigration policy within a libertarian > society <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society>. > [16]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_immigration#cite_note-16> > > On 12th January 2009 the Libertarian Party > (UK)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(UK)> was > criticized by No Border > Network<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Border_Network> for > having authoritarian and anti-libertarian policies on immigration, in > particular the treatment of asylum seekers. > > On Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:50:40 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > >> The Libertarian Party promotes open borders. (Not Libertarians per-se, >> but the "Libertarian Party") >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:49 PM, plainolamerican >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> we know who promotes open borders in America. >>> the same people who promote closed borders in israel. >>> >>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:42:45 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> How tunnels are built, used along US-Mexico border >>>> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DRUG_TUNNEL_ROBOTS >>>> _QA?SITE=AP&SECT >>>> ION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT<http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DRUG_TUNNEL_ROBOTS_QA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT> >>>> >>>> >>>> By BRIAN SKOLOFF and JACQUES BILLEAUD >>>> Associated Press >>>> >>>> NOGALES, Ariz. (AP) -- As border security has tightened, drug cartels >>>> have >>>> turned to tunneling beneath the ground to avoid detection. >>>> >>>> Nearly 170 tunnels have been found nationwide since 1990, most along the >>>> Arizona and California border with Mexico. The job of searching these >>>> networks can be dangerous, so the U.S. Border Patrol is unveiling its >>>> latest >>>> technology in the underground war - a wireless, camera-equipped robot >>>> that >>>> can do the job in a fraction of the time. >>>> >>>> HOW ARE THEY BUILT? >>>> >>>> Tunnel construction ranges from extremely rudimentary, a small burrow >>>> dug by >>>> hand sometimes only large enough for a person to crawl through, to very >>>> sophisticated, including lights, supports to hold up the ceiling and >>>> ventilation. They can range from just a few feet stretching from one >>>> side of >>>> the border to the other, to up to a quarter mile long. >>>> >>>> Some tunnels merely go from one side of the border to the other with the >>>> contraband being offloaded in a field or on public land, while others >>>> exit >>>> into warehouses or homes along the border. >>>> >>>> Miners and other laborers hired by cartels use hoes, jackhammers, >>>> shovels >>>> and picks to gouge out soil and load the dirt into buckets that are >>>> brought >>>> back out of the tunnel's starting point in Mexico. Their tools are >>>> old-fashioned and can be bought at home improvement stores. Miners, for >>>> instance, must use compasses because GPS devices don't work underground. >>>> >>>> Smugglers have dug dozens of crude tunnels in Nogales, Ariz., that >>>> begin in >>>> Mexico and tie into the Arizona city's storm drainage system. >>>> >>>> For sophisticated tunnels, such as those found near San Diego, cartels >>>> will >>>> hire engineers and miners to build the tunnels. A cartel will have a >>>> financier or a cell that reports to the cartel bosses and runs the >>>> construction. >>>> >>>> U.S. border officials estimate that the more sophisticated tunnels >>>> probably >>>> cost between $2 million to $3 million to build. >>>> >>>> HOW TUNNELS ARE USED? >>>> >>>> Smuggling groups use tunnels to move drugs, guns and people who want to >>>> sneak across the U.S. border, though traffickers are sometimes selective >>>> about what they will move through their tunnels. >>>> >>>> Experts say sophisticated tunnels are used for mostly drug and gun >>>> smuggling, though people who don't want to risk traveling above ground >>>> will >>>> occasionally be sneaked through those tunnels. >>>> >>>> Cocaine and methamphetamine are brought in through the tunnels, but >>>> marijuana - which is big and bulky and therefore difficult to move - is >>>> the >>>> most prevalent drug transported through the tunnels. >>>> >>>> Authorities found a 600-yard tunnel in Southern California during >>>> November >>>> 2011 that resulted in seizures of 32 tons of marijuana on both sides of >>>> the >>>> border, with 26 tons found on the U.S. side, accounting for one of the >>>> largest marijuana busts in U.S. history. That tunnel was equipped with >>>> electric railcars, lighting and ventilation while wooden planks lined >>>> the >>>> floor. >>>> >>>> Immigrant smugglers use "gopher hole" tunnels made up of huge PVC pipes >>>> that >>>> are buried underground and span the border, providing enough space >>>> through >>>> which a person can barely squeeze. >>>> >>>> The storm-drain tunnels in places like Nogales are used for both >>>> immigrant >>>> and drug smuggling. >>>> >>>> HOW ARE TUNNELS DISCOVERED? >>>> >>>> The majority of tunnels are found by human intelligence, either by >>>> Mexican >>>> or U.S. authorities patrolling the border and noticing the ground has >>>> been >>>> disturbed, or through informants who tip authorities to their presence. >>>> >>>> HOW ARE TUNNELS EXPLORED AND INVESTIGATED ONCE THEY'RE LOCATED? >>>> >>>> So-called tunnel robots have been in use by Border Patrol for several >>>> years. >>>> They can safely navigate through corrugated pipes, tunnels, and drainage >>>> systems while an agent controls the device from the surface, seeing >>>> what the >>>> robot sees on a handheld screen. The robots are used, in part, as a >>>> safety >>>> measure to keep agents out of harm's way as many tunnels can be poorly >>>> built >>>> and possibly collapse and lack proper ventilation. >>>> >>>> They also can navigate an underground labyrinth in a fraction of the >>>> time it >>>> would take an agent to explore the tunnel. Some of the newer robots, >>>> which >>>> weigh about 12 pounds and can navigate through passageways that are only >>>> several feet wide, are being deployed this year across southern Arizona >>>> and >>>> California. >>>> >>>> Source: U.S. Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Immigration and >>>> Customs >>>> Enforcement. >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> ========================================== >>>> (F)AIR USE NOTICE: All original content and/or articles and graphics in >>>> this >>>> message are copyrighted, unless specifically noted otherwise. All >>>> rights to >>>> these copyrighted items are reserved. 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