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On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:23 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > wrote: > Lew Rockwell is an asshole. > --- > again we agree. > > > On Friday, January 17, 2014 8:58:06 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > >> Lew Rockwell is arguably a Libertarian, and "PaleoLibertarians" is a >> fiction. Lew Rockwell is an asshole. >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:21 PM, plainolamerican >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Older Libertarian Party >>> (US)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(US)> Platform >>> stances were more pro-open borders. The 2004 Platform called for "the >>> elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the >>> Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a >>> declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country >>> illegally". >>> [2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_immigration#cite_note-2> >>> Due >>> to fears from the 2001 Terrorist attack, this was changed to permit some >>> immigration controls. >>> >>> Within recent times, some >>> libertarians<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism>, >>> especially >>> paleolibertarians<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolibertarianism> >>> such as Lew Rockwell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lew_Rockwell> and Ron >>> Paul <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul>, have voiced concerns >>> pertaining to the traditional "open borders" policy held by most >>> libertarians. Hans-Hermann >>> Hoppe<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Hermann_Hoppe> has >>> argued much in his writings about open borders being against >>> anarcho-capitalist >>> theory >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism>.[15]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_immigration#cite_note-15> >>> >>> The British <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom>-based Libertarian >>> Alliance <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Alliance> are >>> prominent advocates of a restricted immigration policy within a libertarian >>> society <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society>. >>> [16]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_immigration#cite_note-16> >>> >>> On 12th January 2009 the Libertarian Party >>> (UK)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(UK)> was >>> criticized by No Border >>> Network<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Border_Network> for >>> having authoritarian and anti-libertarian policies on immigration, in >>> particular the treatment of asylum seekers. >>> >>> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:50:40 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>>> The Libertarian Party promotes open borders. (Not Libertarians >>>> per-se, but the "Libertarian Party") >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:49 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> we know who promotes open borders in America. >>>>> the same people who promote closed borders in israel. >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:42:45 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> How tunnels are built, used along US-Mexico border >>>>>> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DRUG_TUNNEL_ROBOTS >>>>>> _QA?SITE=AP&SECT >>>>>> ION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT<http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DRUG_TUNNEL_ROBOTS_QA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> By BRIAN SKOLOFF and JACQUES BILLEAUD >>>>>> Associated Press >>>>>> >>>>>> NOGALES, Ariz. (AP) -- As border security has tightened, drug cartels >>>>>> have >>>>>> turned to tunneling beneath the ground to avoid detection. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nearly 170 tunnels have been found nationwide since 1990, most along >>>>>> the >>>>>> Arizona and California border with Mexico. The job of searching these >>>>>> networks can be dangerous, so the U.S. Border Patrol is unveiling its >>>>>> latest >>>>>> technology in the underground war - a wireless, camera-equipped robot >>>>>> that >>>>>> can do the job in a fraction of the time. >>>>>> >>>>>> HOW ARE THEY BUILT? >>>>>> >>>>>> Tunnel construction ranges from extremely rudimentary, a small burrow >>>>>> dug by >>>>>> hand sometimes only large enough for a person to crawl through, to >>>>>> very >>>>>> sophisticated, including lights, supports to hold up the ceiling and >>>>>> ventilation. They can range from just a few feet stretching from one >>>>>> side of >>>>>> the border to the other, to up to a quarter mile long. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some tunnels merely go from one side of the border to the other with >>>>>> the >>>>>> contraband being offloaded in a field or on public land, while others >>>>>> exit >>>>>> into warehouses or homes along the border. >>>>>> >>>>>> Miners and other laborers hired by cartels use hoes, jackhammers, >>>>>> shovels >>>>>> and picks to gouge out soil and load the dirt into buckets that are >>>>>> brought >>>>>> back out of the tunnel's starting point in Mexico. Their tools are >>>>>> old-fashioned and can be bought at home improvement stores. Miners, >>>>>> for >>>>>> instance, must use compasses because GPS devices don't work >>>>>> underground. >>>>>> >>>>>> Smugglers have dug dozens of crude tunnels in Nogales, Ariz., that >>>>>> begin in >>>>>> Mexico and tie into the Arizona city's storm drainage system. >>>>>> >>>>>> For sophisticated tunnels, such as those found near San Diego, >>>>>> cartels will >>>>>> hire engineers and miners to build the tunnels. A cartel will have a >>>>>> financier or a cell that reports to the cartel bosses and runs the >>>>>> construction. >>>>>> >>>>>> U.S. border officials estimate that the more sophisticated tunnels >>>>>> probably >>>>>> cost between $2 million to $3 million to build. >>>>>> >>>>>> HOW TUNNELS ARE USED? >>>>>> >>>>>> Smuggling groups use tunnels to move drugs, guns and people who want >>>>>> to >>>>>> sneak across the U.S. border, though traffickers are sometimes >>>>>> selective >>>>>> about what they will move through their tunnels. >>>>>> >>>>>> Experts say sophisticated tunnels are used for mostly drug and gun >>>>>> smuggling, though people who don't want to risk traveling above >>>>>> ground will >>>>>> occasionally be sneaked through those tunnels. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cocaine and methamphetamine are brought in through the tunnels, but >>>>>> marijuana - which is big and bulky and therefore difficult to move - >>>>>> is the >>>>>> most prevalent drug transported through the tunnels. >>>>>> >>>>>> Authorities found a 600-yard tunnel in Southern California during >>>>>> November >>>>>> 2011 that resulted in seizures of 32 tons of marijuana on both sides >>>>>> of the >>>>>> border, with 26 tons found on the U.S. side, accounting for one of the >>>>>> largest marijuana busts in U.S. history. That tunnel was equipped with >>>>>> electric railcars, lighting and ventilation while wooden planks lined >>>>>> the >>>>>> floor. >>>>>> >>>>>> Immigrant smugglers use "gopher hole" tunnels made up of huge PVC >>>>>> pipes that >>>>>> are buried underground and span the border, providing enough space >>>>>> through >>>>>> which a person can barely squeeze. >>>>>> >>>>>> The storm-drain tunnels in places like Nogales are used for both >>>>>> immigrant >>>>>> and drug smuggling. >>>>>> >>>>>> HOW ARE TUNNELS DISCOVERED? >>>>>> >>>>>> The majority of tunnels are found by human intelligence, either by >>>>>> Mexican >>>>>> or U.S. authorities patrolling the border and noticing the ground has >>>>>> been >>>>>> disturbed, or through informants who tip authorities to their >>>>>> presence. >>>>>> >>>>>> HOW ARE TUNNELS EXPLORED AND INVESTIGATED ONCE THEY'RE LOCATED? >>>>>> >>>>>> So-called tunnel robots have been in use by Border Patrol for several >>>>>> years. >>>>>> They can safely navigate through corrugated pipes, tunnels, and >>>>>> drainage >>>>>> systems while an agent controls the device from the surface, seeing >>>>>> what the >>>>>> robot sees on a handheld screen. The robots are used, in part, as a >>>>>> safety >>>>>> measure to keep agents out of harm's way as many tunnels can be >>>>>> poorly built >>>>>> and possibly collapse and lack proper ventilation. >>>>>> >>>>>> They also can navigate an underground labyrinth in a fraction of the >>>>>> time it >>>>>> would take an agent to explore the tunnel. Some of the newer robots, >>>>>> which >>>>>> weigh about 12 pounds and can navigate through passageways that are >>>>>> only >>>>>> several feet wide, are being deployed this year across southern >>>>>> Arizona and >>>>>> California. >>>>>> >>>>>> Source: U.S. Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Immigration and >>>>>> Customs >>>>>> Enforcement. >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> >>>>>> ========================================== >>>>>> (F)AIR USE NOTICE: All original content and/or articles and graphics >>>>>> in this >>>>>> message are copyrighted, unless specifically noted otherwise. All >>>>>> rights to >>>>>> these copyrighted items are reserved. 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