Respectfully, how am I "misinformed"? The head of the new ISIS State is  
extremely educated in Islam and holds a Phd. in Islamic studies and clearly  
states their actions on the ground are consistent with the teachings from 
Islam,  chapter and verse. Because you have a great kind Uncle who happens to 
be of a  different faith or culture then we Americans, does not change the 
basic  teachings of the Islamic religion. He sounds like a very good man who 
taught you  some of the basic Christian philopshy and as you yourself point 
out how  tolerance in Islam does not extend to the Sunni and Shia factions of 
Islam which  have been warring with each other since the death of Mohammad  
 around the year 600.They have had a 1,000 years to get over it but have  
not. My guess is ISIS would have your Uncle's head for believing and  
teaching as you have described.
 
 
In a message dated 10/12/2014 3:05:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
[email protected] writes:

I will have to say that you are misinformed!!! I grew up and at  55+ years 
old the greatest influence on my life has been my Uncle Sal. He was  the one 
who taught me tolerance of others who are different and that God does  not 
care what God you believe in, only that if you believe in God, you will  get 
his great blessings!!! I was raised to accept people that are different  
than me and respect every culture and religion, no matter how different it may 
 be, he taught me communicate with people who were different than me and 
try to  understand their version of reality!!!   


Who is this amazing man??? He is Salaheddin Mahallati, trained as an eye  
surgeon in Iran and was worried that he would hurt someone because he was  
nervous as a surgeon and went back to school to become a pediatrician, he met  
and married my Aunt when he was a resident in Bayonne Hospital. His family 
has  been a holy family in Shiraz for over 500 years, my Uncle Sal is a Sufi 
Mystic  and unless you actually know a Sufi Muslim, you have not met the 
soul of the  religion ... Sunni and Shia are factions that have been killing 
each other  since the prophet died!!!


Since the 70s the worst aspect of Islam has been in the forefront of the  
media and what pisses me off most is that our "allies" the Saudis do nothing  
to calm down the region, the royal family are the highest form of evil, 
they  keep the conflict going and suck the US into it because of our need for 
their  oil!!!


If we had weaned ourselves off of oil like President Carter suggested, we  
may not be in these endless conflicts!!! By not investing in alternatives to 
 oil, we have become pawns of the assholes in the middle eats!!!


On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Hot4azintop via  PoliticalForum 
<[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > 
wrote:


The  new Islamic State is headed up by a man with a Phd. in  Islamic 
studies and to say this man is corrupting Islam is not the  truth......he lives 
up 
to the teachings of Islam in every respect and does  nothing that is 
contrary to those teachings.....for that very reason he is a  very scary 
man......and that's why the other despots in the region who pick  and choice 
their 
Islamic teachings are scared to death of him because if he  is sucessful those 
despots loose their heads and being alive and align with  the western 
devils is better then loosing their heads to a true  Islamist.
 
 
In a message dated 10/12/2014 6:41:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])  writes:

 






PBS:  Public Bull Shit



http://terrortrendsbulletin.com/2014/10/10/massive-taqiyya-courtesy-of-pbs/ 
MASSIVE Taqiyya Courtesy  of PBS
Taqiyya is a part of the doctrine of Islam (shariah) that  means “sacred 
deception.” 
Under taqiyya, Muslims are permitted to lie if it  promotes Islam and, in 
cases where it promotes something obligatory in  Islam, lying is obligatory. 
We now have a stark example of taqiyya at work courtesy  of PBS. As part of 
the shrill effort from the radical Left in the West to  perpetuate the myth 
that the Islamic State is “not Islamic,” PBS engaged  Rashid Khalidi of 
Columbia University to attempt to say that the Islamic  State is purposely 
misinterpreting the Quran. 
First of all, Rashid Khalidi is hardly a reliable source  for anything. 
Khalidi is a strident Palestinian activist who  blames America and Israel 
first for all the problems of the Middle East.  He’s also a long-time 
supporter and associate of Barack Obama, who started  the whole “ISIS is not 
Islamic
” narrative. 
Khalidi proceeded to provide a taqiyya-ridden explanation  of Sura 47, 
Verse 4 of the Quran in which he claims that this infamous  verse does not 
justify beheadings. He is so wrong that he can’t possibly  be just mistaken: 
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/isis-uses-half-quran-verse-justify-behea
dings-see-whats-half/ 
What  Khalidi says 47/4 says is NOT what my Quran says Sura 47 Verse 4  
says. Here is the whole verse in my Quran: 
“So, when  you meet (in fight–Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who 
disbelieve, smite  (their) necks till when you have KILLED (emphasis added) and 
wounded many  of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them 
captives). 
 Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without  
ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays  
down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying  out 
Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam and are saved  from the 
punishment in the Hell-fire or at least come under your  protection], but 
if it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly  have punished them 
(without you). But (He lets you fight) in order to test  some of you with 
others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He  will never let their 
deeds be lost.” 
************* 
Obviously,  the word KILLED is pretty important here and it is clearly in 
my Quran in  47/4: 
The Noble  Quran
Published by Darussalam
Riyadh, Saudi  Arabia 
This  directly contradicts Khalidi’s contention that all the victims are to 
be  bound, therefore they can’t be dead, therefore, the verse doesn’t say 
to  cut off anyone’s head. 
So I  checked some online versions: 
http://quran.com/47 
“So when  you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks 
until,  when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, 
and  either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays 
down  its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could 
have  taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to 
 test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause 
 of Allah – never will He waste their deeds.” 
Note the  use of the term SLAUGHTER. Does someone know of a definition of  “
slaughter” that doesn’t involve killing? 
http://al-quran.info/#47:4 
When you  meet the faithless in battle,
strike  their necks.
When you have thoroughly decimated  them,
bind the captives firmly.
Thereafter either  oblige them [by setting them free]
or take ransom
till  the war lays down its burdens.
That [is Allah’s  ordinance],
and had Allah wished
He could have taken  vengeance on them,1
but that He may test some of you by means of  others.
As for those who were slain in the way of  Allah,
He will not let their works go  awry. 
“Decimated”  literally means to have killed one out of every ten of the  
enemy. 
http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=47&translator=4&mac= 
Now when  ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the 
necks  until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and 
afterward  either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is 
the  ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) 
 but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others.  
And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their  
actions vain. 
Here again  there is no suggestion that anyone be spared, at least until 
the enemy is  routed. Presumably one must kill some of the enemy to rout  
them. 
http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=47&translator=5&mac= 
So, when  you meet (in fight – Jihad in Allah’s Cause) those who 
disbelieve, smite  (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of 
them, 
then  bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter 
(is  the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or 
ransom  (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. 
 
Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against  
the disbelievers till they embrace Islam and are saved from the punishment  
in the Hell-fire or at least come under your protection], but if it had  been 
Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without  you). 
But (He lets you fight) in order to test some of you with others.  But 
those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their  deeds be 
lost. 
This  version perhaps most clearly contradicts Khalidi’s  fabrication.
Finally, that one verse of the Quran is not the only  justification in 
Islamic scripture for beheading. Here is an article that  cites the origins for 
beheading in Islamic scripture beyond  47/4: 
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/SKM40715.htm
The real  culprits here are the biased crew at PBS (courtesy of your tax 
dollars and  mine, by the way). We expect nothing less than taqiyya from the 
likes of  Khalidi. 
But PBS is  SUPPOSED to at least make a head-fake at being professional and 
objective.  They weren’t here and there is no doubt that the reporter, Hari 
 Sreenivasan, could easily have done the same research we did here to check 
 Khalidi’s assertion. 
But  Sreenivasan did not check with multiple sources for  confirmation. 
Which is  outright journalistic malpractice. 



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