Sufis are about 40% of all Muslims, the Turks actually identify themselves as Sufi. The Sufis are non-violent and spiritual ... the Wiki page is pretty good with info on Sufism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism And a simplified description of the 4 major divisions in Islam can be found here: http://contenderministries.org/islam/divisions.php On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Hot4azintop via PoliticalForum < [email protected]> wrote: > ......and that is exactly what ISIS has done as you point out.....they > have pulled out those passages from the Koran that justify their actions. > Please do not forget that when Mohammad was asked about the apparent > conflict in his own messages ....he told his followers that the "true > message of Islam" are always the latest writings and pronouncements. The > early peaceful messages that he issued at the beginning of the movement > were only necessary to further his movement and because if he said what he > truly believed as the later writings indicate then the majority of non > believers at the beginning would end his quest for power. He himself told > his followers his real true messages were the latest ones he gave and those > are the most violent and un compromising tactics as he had achieved a > majority at that time of believers. He did not need to consider any > minority thinking and it was not tolerated upon penalty of death. It's all > layed out in Islamic teachings........BTW, the secular Moslems are the > Turks who find themselves being attacked internally and fear of external > attack by ISIS believers of the greater Islamic State. I admit up front > that I am not familiar with the Sufi. How do they differ from the Shites > and Sunni? How are they the same? Thanx > > In a message dated 10/13/2014 7:00:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > All Islam is not Sunni and Shia, they are the bad guys, not the Sufi and > millions of secular Muslims ... the IS people are not following the true > teachings of the religion ... you can pull out passages of the Bible or > Talmud to justify stoning and killing people if you choose to!!! > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Hot4azintop via PoliticalForum < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Respectfully, how am I "misinformed"? The head of the new ISIS State is >> extremely educated in Islam and holds a Phd. in Islamic studies and clearly >> states their actions on the ground are consistent with the teachings from >> Islam, chapter and verse. Because you have a great kind Uncle who happens >> to be of a different faith or culture then we Americans, does not change >> the basic teachings of the Islamic religion. He sounds like a very good man >> who taught you some of the basic Christian philopshy and as you yourself >> point out how tolerance in Islam does not extend to the Sunni and Shia >> factions of Islam which have been warring with each other since the death >> of Mohammad around the year 600.They have had a 1,000 years to get over it >> but have not. My guess is ISIS would have your Uncle's head for believing >> and teaching as you have described. >> >> In a message dated 10/12/2014 3:05:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> I will have to say that you are misinformed!!! I grew up and at 55+ years >> old the greatest influence on my life has been my Uncle Sal. He was the one >> who taught me tolerance of others who are different and that God does not >> care what God you believe in, only that if you believe in God, you will get >> his great blessings!!! I was raised to accept people that are different >> than me and respect every culture and religion, no matter how different it >> may be, he taught me communicate with people who were different than me and >> try to understand their version of reality!!! >> >> Who is this amazing man??? He is Salaheddin Mahallati, trained as an eye >> surgeon in Iran and was worried that he would hurt someone because he was >> nervous as a surgeon and went back to school to become a pediatrician, he >> met and married my Aunt when he was a resident in Bayonne Hospital. His >> family has been a holy family in Shiraz for over 500 years, my Uncle Sal is >> a Sufi Mystic and unless you actually know a Sufi Muslim, you have not met >> the soul of the religion ... Sunni and Shia are factions that have been >> killing each other since the prophet died!!! >> >> Since the 70s the worst aspect of Islam has been in the forefront of the >> media and what pisses me off most is that our "allies" the Saudis do >> nothing to calm down the region, the royal family are the highest form of >> evil, they keep the conflict going and suck the US into it because of our >> need for their oil!!! >> >> If we had weaned ourselves off of oil like President Carter suggested, we >> may not be in these endless conflicts!!! By not investing in alternatives >> to oil, we have become pawns of the assholes in the middle eats!!! >> >> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Hot4azintop via PoliticalForum < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The new Islamic State is headed up by a man with a Phd. in Islamic >>> studies and to say this man is corrupting Islam is not the truth......he >>> lives up to the teachings of Islam in every respect and does nothing that >>> is contrary to those teachings.....for that very reason he is a very scary >>> man......and that's why the other despots in the region who pick and choice >>> their Islamic teachings are scared to death of him because if he is >>> sucessful those despots loose their heads and being alive and align with >>> the western devils is better then loosing their heads to a true Islamist. >>> >>> In a message dated 10/12/2014 6:41:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >>> [email protected] writes: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> PBS: Public Bull Shit >>> >>> >>> >>> http://terrortrendsbulletin.com/2014/10/10/massive-taqiyya-courtesy-of-pbs/ >>> MASSIVE Taqiyya Courtesy of PBS >>> >>> Taqiyya is a part of the doctrine of Islam (shariah) that means “sacred >>> deception.” >>> >>> Under taqiyya, Muslims are permitted to lie if it promotes Islam and, in >>> cases where it promotes something obligatory in Islam, lying is obligatory. >>> >>> We now have a stark example of taqiyya at work courtesy of PBS. As part >>> of the shrill effort from the radical Left in the West to perpetuate the >>> myth that the Islamic State is “not Islamic,” PBS engaged Rashid Khalidi of >>> Columbia University to attempt to say that the Islamic State is purposely >>> misinterpreting the Quran. >>> >>> First of all, Rashid Khalidi is hardly a reliable source for anything. >>> >>> Khalidi is a strident Palestinian activist who blames America and Israel >>> first for all the problems of the Middle East. He’s also a long-time >>> supporter and associate of Barack Obama, who started the whole “ISIS is not >>> Islamic” narrative. >>> >>> Khalidi proceeded to provide a taqiyya-ridden explanation of Sura 47, >>> Verse 4 of the Quran in which he claims that this infamous verse does not >>> justify beheadings. He is so wrong that he can’t possibly be just mistaken: >>> >>> >>> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/isis-uses-half-quran-verse-justify-beheadings-see-whats-half/ >>> >>> >>> >>> What Khalidi says 47/4 says is NOT what my Quran says Sura 47 Verse 4 >>> says. Here is the whole verse in my Quran: >>> >>> *“So, when you meet (in fight–Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who >>> disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have KILLED (emphasis added) >>> and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them >>> captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them >>> without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the >>> war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in >>> carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam and are >>> saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire or at least come under your >>> protection], but if it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly >>> have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight) in order to test >>> some of you with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He >>> will never let their deeds be lost.”* >>> >>> ************* >>> >>> Obviously, the word KILLED is pretty important here and it is clearly in >>> my Quran in 47/4: >>> >>> The Noble Quran >>> Published by Darussalam >>> Riyadh, Saudi Arabia >>> >>> This directly contradicts Khalidi’s contention that all the victims are >>> to be bound, therefore they can’t be dead, therefore, the verse doesn’t say >>> to cut off anyone’s head. >>> >>> So I checked some online versions: >>> >>> http://quran.com/47 >>> >>> *“So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] >>> necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their >>> bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war >>> lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He >>> could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed >>> struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed >>> in the cause of Allah – never will He waste their deeds.”* >>> >>> Note the use of the term SLAUGHTER. Does someone know of a definition of >>> “slaughter” that doesn’t involve killing? >>> >>> http://al-quran.info/#47:4 >>> >>> *When you meet the faithless in battle,* >>> *strike their necks.* >>> *When you have thoroughly decimated them,* >>> *bind the captives firmly.* >>> *Thereafter either oblige them [by setting them free]* >>> *or take ransom* >>> *till the war lays down its burdens.* >>> *That [is Allah’s ordinance],* >>> *and had Allah wished* >>> *He could have taken vengeance on them,1* >>> *but that He may test some of you by means of others.* >>> *As for those who were slain in the way of Allah,* >>> *He will not let their works go awry.* >>> >>> “Decimated” literally means to have killed one out of every ten of the >>> enemy. >>> >>> >>> http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=47&translator=4&mac= >>> >>> *Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of >>> the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and >>> afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That >>> (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them >>> (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by >>> means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth >>> not their actions vain.* >>> >>> Here again there is no suggestion that anyone be spared, at least until >>> the enemy is routed. Presumably one must kill some of the enemy to rout >>> them. >>> >>> >>> http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=47&translator=5&mac= >>> >>> *So, when you meet (in fight – Jihad in Allah’s Cause) those who >>> disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many >>> of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). >>> Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without >>> ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays >>> down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out >>> Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam and are saved from >>> the punishment in the Hell-fire or at least come under your protection], >>> but if it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished >>> them (without you). But (He lets you fight) in order to test some of you >>> with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never >>> let their deeds be lost.* >>> >>> This version perhaps most clearly contradicts Khalidi’s fabrication. >>> Finally, that one verse of the Quran is not the only justification in >>> Islamic scripture for beheading. Here is an article that cites the origins >>> for beheading in Islamic scripture beyond 47/4: >>> >>> http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/SKM40715.htm >>> >>> >>> The real culprits here are the biased crew at PBS (courtesy of your tax >>> dollars and mine, by the way). We expect nothing less than taqiyya from the >>> likes of Khalidi. >>> >>> But PBS is SUPPOSED to at least make a head-fake at being professional >>> and objective. 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