You continually conflate American Jews with Israelis. They are not the same thing.
As Ben Shapiro explains here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5IqH7oJ9h4 Thatbearguy @Thatbearguy On 22 October 2015 at 12:23, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > Then maybe you need to reconsider your premise? > --- > not at all. > regardless of their political affiliation ... catholics provide more aid > and support to illegals than anyone and jews promote open borders and > amnesty in America but not israel. > > Rabbi Mark Diamond stood on the border with Mexico on a brisk February > day, alongside the Rev. Alexei Smith of the Catholic Archdiocese, the Rev. > Mary Glasspool of the Episcopal Diocese and a host of clergy from > Presbyterian, Methodist and United Church of Christ ministries. > > All of them peered through the corrugated steel wall at the rough miles > between countries. The scene evoked thoughts of the old adage Mexicans > invoke about their country: “So far from God, so close to the United > States!” > > Diamond, the American Jewish Committee’s Los Angeles director, who > arranged the clerics’ 25-member fact-finding mission, is hoping to bridge a > comparable distance — between a life of promise and a life of uncertainty — > for millions of noncitizens in the United States. > > Diamond’s key role in organizing this gathering was no isolated communal > act. After months of delay, the U.S. Senate is set to vote on the most > comprehensive immigration reform legislation in 27 years. And Jewish groups > across the country are acting together in a way characteristic of the > community on few issues besides Israel. > > “It’s about the right thing to do,” said Robert Gittelson, co-founder of > Conservatives for Comprehensive Immigration Reform, and a Republican. In > op-ed pieces and interviews, Gittelson, a retired Jewish businessman from > California’s San Fernando Valley, has called certain GOP strategies on > immigration reform “un-biblical” and “cruel.” > > Those leading an active push for the bill, which will offer a path to > citizenship for some of the nation’s 11 million undocumented aliens, > include the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, the American Jewish Committee, > the Anti-Defamation League, the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, Bend the > Arc and the National Council of Jewish Women. > > The Senate vote — and the even harder struggle that will follow in the > Republican-controlled House — represents the fulfillment of a sustained > campaign by the Jewish community for immigration reform, which has built > momentum over the past decade. > > Whether or not the necessary votes are mustered from both houses to land a > historic immigration law reform bill on President Obama’s desk, Jewish > outreach, particularly in the Southwest — home to the largest share of > America’s emerging and increasingly powerful ethnic and interfaith > populations — promises to be politically and socially influential beyond > the issue it addresses. > > California, with 2.6 million undocumented residents, is a front line in > the battle for this reform. And a Jewish establishment ever mindful of its > need to operate through alliances and coalitions to advance its own > interests is not blind to the implications of the issue in a country whose > demography is shifting rapidly. In addition to working with Latino groups, > the ADL’s Southwest regional office has forged alliances with Asian groups > representing undocumented Koreans, Chinese, Filipino and other Asian > Pacific immigrants in the Southland. > > “It’s the ethical thing to do,” said HIAS president and CEO Mark Hetfield, > of the community’s immigration reform activism. But he quickly added, “It’s > in our strategic interest.” > > Angelica Salas, executive director of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant > Rights of Los Angeles, reflects the deepening relationship that Jewish > groups are developing through their visibility on the immigration issue. > > “I really admire the way that the Jewish community has gone deep in > support of immigration reform,” Salas told the Forward. A 15-year veteran > of immigration rights activism, Salas fondly recalled a 2006 mass > mobilization, when a procession through L.A. streets began with a cantor > blowing a shofar and singing “Let my people stay!” > > Salas counted efforts by Jewish organizations as second only to Catholic > groups in their impact. A key factor, she said, is that HIAS and the AJC, > founded at the height of Jewish immigration more than a century ago, have a > built-up institutional expertise at integrating new arrivals into American > society, with programs, legal resources and family services already in > place — but now serving Spanish speakers instead of Yiddish. > > The Ford Foundation recently awarded a two-year $1 million grant to the > AJC’s Bridging America Project, which is planning “joint advocacy workshops > in Dallas, New York and Washington, D.C.; a ‘national conversation’ among > Latino and Jewish leaders about issues of mutual concern, and conferences > in Houston, Miami and New Jersey on the economic benefits of immigration, > among other activities. > > Salas has also worked closely with the ADL, which keeps a keen eye on > extremist groups that have set up vigilante patrols on the border between > the United States and Mexico. An ADL study reported that “violent incidents > against illegal immigrants have been brutal and are occurring with greater > regularity, further intensifying the atmosphere of fear and suspicion on > both sides of the border.” The ADL has also tracked a rise in hate crimes, > discrimination cases and bigotry against Latinos. > > In L.A. — a city where Latinos are nearly half the population and whose > new mayor, Eric Garcetti, boasts both Jewish and Mexican heritage — Salas’s > group also works with the Progressive Jewish Alliance, the Jewish Labor > Committee and Bend the Arc, a progressive national Jewish group, in pushing > for immigrant labor protections. > > “It’s not a one-way street,” Salas said. When it comes to Israel, the > Latina activist suggested, the two groups’ relationship may help to modify > anti-Israel viewpoints and foster dialogue rather than demonization. “It > comes up,” Salas said, referring to the Middle East issue, “and there’s a > perspective: ‘Isn’t this [U.S. treatment of Latinos] the same as in Israel > with the Palestinians?’ It’s an opportunity to talk that through, to talk > in the context of global immigrant policy, where people can be critical, > but in good faith.” > > Newly arrived Latinos tend to show higher rates of anti-Semitism, said > Amanda Susskind, the ADL’s Pacific Southwest regional director. She > attributed the phenomenon, which shows up in surveys, to “exposure to some > religious teachings.” But the next generation, she said, is no different in > its relationship with Jews than the rest of Americans. > > Asians are also active in coalitions with Jewish groups addressing > immigration issues. “We appreciate the partnership with our Jewish allies,” > said Betty Hung, policy director of the L.A.–based Asian Pacific American > Legal Center. An estimated 3 million undocumented U.S. residents are Asian. > California counts the nation’s largest Asian population without legal > resident status — about 400,000. APALC has been an active participant in > the ADL’s Asian Jewish Initiative, founded in 2006, which brings together > civic, business, academic and faith leaders in the L.A. community for > social mixers, awards dinners and educational programs. > > For all this organizational solidarity, opponents of the reform > legislation are not hard to find in the Jewish community. > > One outspoken Jewish opponent is Stephen Steinlight, a former director of > national affairs for AJC who criticizes the bill as “amnesty” for illegal > immigrants and opposes any “pathway to citizenship” for them. > > “My views changed,” he told the Forward, explaining his break with the AJC > and his alliance with the conservative Center for Immigrations Studies. > “AJC made no distinction between legal and illegal immigration,” he said. > > Steinlight, who characterizes the pro-reform Jewish leaders as “do-gooders > leaning over backwards for the aggrieved,” sees immigration as a threat to > American workers, especially under-employed African Americans. Groups like > AJC and HIAS, he said, are “trying to make amends for doing nothing for > Jews during the Holocaust.” > > Diamond acknowledged that views similar to Steinlight’s are not hard to > find. “To my dismay, I have heard more than a few voices in the Jewish > community — rabbis I respect, and other leaders — who have said to me, > ‘This is not our problem,’” Diamond said. “My response is that this is very > much a Jewish issue, one of the most critical issues facing us in this > country, and certainly here in Southern California.” > > For Wendy Braitman, a member of IKAR, the L.A. Jewish congregation led by > Rabbi Sharon Brous that has made social activism a mitzvah, it’s also > personal. “I feel like it’s my story,” she said. Braitman embodies the > grassroots dimension of much of the Jewish activism on this issue. In > April, Braitman sat in Senator Dianne Feinstein’s Washington office with a > group of interfaith activists who paid their own way from the California > lawmaker’s home state to lobby her. “I told her I was Jewish,” said > Braitman, “and that the issue was of importance to Jews all over the > country. As Jews we know what it’s like to live in the shadows.” > > On the pro-reform Jewish right, meanwhile, support comes with the some of > the same caveats that many conservatives have been using to hold up the > pending legislation: that undocumented residents should be treated as > lawbreakers who will be subjected to fines and blocked from full > citizenship even if allowed to stay as permanent residents. Border security > must also be beefed up, they demand, as a pre-condition to any reform. > > Matthew Brooks, executive director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, > emphasized that the final legislative package must be a bill that > “addresses the challenges of illegal immigration and securing our borders > in a way that will win the support and trust of the American people.” > > As an entrepreneur who built a successful garment manufacturing business, > Gittelson is also focused on the bill’s labor implications. For one thing, > Gittelson would like to see the cap on guest-worker visas — topped off in > the Senate bill at 200,000 per year — match the actual demand for labor, > which he says is 300,000 annually at the lowest. > > “The Senate bill shortchanges the economy,” Gittelson maintained. He > blamed unions for setting the low quota. “We need a free-market solution, > not a union solution,” he said. > > Gittelson’s CCIR co-founder is Samuel Rodriguez, a politically > conservative evangelical Christian who is president of the National > Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference. Despite their reservations, > Gittelson said, he and Rodriguez are standing with progressives on > immigration reform. “When it comes to this issue, we see eye to eye, or at > least 90%.” He has recently joined AJC’s Immigration Task Force. > > In Washington, as the bill has been pulled apart and slapped together, the > Jewish community has advanced strong arguments for what should be in it — > and what shouldn’t. > > Family reunification is high on the list of must-haves. Border security is > ranked low. Border security is a valid concern, Diamond acknowledged, > something he learned firsthand on his trip to the border near Tijuana. “But > the issue is how we are deploying our resources,” he said. “Are we > targeting gun smugglers and sex traffickers, or are we targeting that > 27-yearold man who’s been deported and is trying to get back to his family?” > > The legislative package submitted to the Senate also notably does not > include the Uniting American Families Act, sponsored by Vermont Democrat > Patrick Leahy. This measure would have allowed an American citizen or > permanent resident who was lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender to > petition for immigrant status on behalf of his or her same-sex partner as > an immediate relative. > > This aspect of the bill is crucial to many Jewish activists. A coalition > of nearly 100 New York interfaith leaders, including 37 rabbis, signed a > letter to New York Senator Charles Schumer, urging his support for equal > protections for LGBT Americans and their families. To their dismay, Schumer > convinced his Democratic colleagues on the Senate Judiciary Committee to > drop the measure from the bill, arguing that its inclusion would cost the > support of key Republicans. Citing their own head counts, many of the > measure’s supporters vehemently reject this argument. > > One victory that was won by Jews is a provision that directly involves > Jewish interests: The Lautenberg Amendment, first passed in 1989, granted > immigrant status to victims of religious persecution in their native lands. > The law allowed the emigration of hundreds of thousands of Soviet Jews and > was extended in 2004 to cover Christians, Baha’is, Jews and other religious > minorities fleeing Iran. > > The law continues to assist religious minorities from those countries and > from Southeast Asia. The new bill makes the law — which previously required > annual renewal by Congress — permanent. Jewish activists saw that win as a > fitting tribute to the late New Jersey senator Frank Lautenberg. > > Ira Handelman, chair of AJC’s Los Angeles Public Policy Committee, said > that if and when the legislation becomes law, the interfaith and > immigrant-activist coalitions in which Jewish organizations are now > involved may move on to tackle other issues. These include the ongoing > national debates over education policy, economic development and social > justice, apart from immigration. > > > Read more: > http://forward.com/news/179296/jews-unite-behind-push-for-immigration-reform/#ixzz3pJZ9KYUe > > On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 11:12:30 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >> Then maybe you need to reconsider your premise? >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:52 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> as if all jews and catholics are democrats. >>> >>> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 10:46:12 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes. Democrats who wish to see illegal aliens allowed to vote. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:26 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> nobody provides more aid and support to illegals than the catholic and >>>>> jewish clergy. >>>>> we know who promotes open borders and amnesty and why. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 8:14:25 AM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://arkansasgopwing.blogspot.com/2015/10/how-senators-voted-on-sanctuary-cities.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>> >>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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