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On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 6:34 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > can't handle the truth, eh? > > On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 5:07:09 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >> Why don't you share with the Group where you obtained this article from >> Plain Ol'? Could it be that you cut and paste this from an Anti-Semitic >> publication/organization? >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 5:30 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> The Catholic Church as an entity provides charitable relief to any person >> in need. >> I have no qualms with that. >> --- >> even when they provide aid and support to illegals? >> >> Your suggestion that "jews" promote open borders is presumptive, >> Anti-Semitic, and not at all even remotely correct >> --- >> wrong again, zioboy. >> >> Jews Demand Open Borders for USA, But Use DNA to Keep Israel Racially Pure >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnewobserveronline.com%2Fjews-demand-open-borders-for-usa-but-use-dna-to-keep-israel-racially-pure%2F> >> >> <https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Jews%20Demand%20Open%20Borders%20for%20USA,%20But%20Use%20DNA%20to%20Keep%20Israel%20Racially%20Pure&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewobserveronline.com%2Fjews-demand-open-borders-for-usa-but-use-dna-to-keep-israel-racially-pure%2F> >> >> <https://plus.google.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewobserveronline.com%2Fjews-demand-open-borders-for-usa-but-use-dna-to-keep-israel-racially-pure%2F> >> >> <https://pinterest.com/pin/create/button/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewobserveronline.com%2Fjews-demand-open-borders-for-usa-but-use-dna-to-keep-israel-racially-pure%2F&media=http://newobserveronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/moshe1.jpg&description=Jews%20in%20America%20are%20100%20percent%20united%20in%20demanding%20%E2%80%9Copen%20borders%E2%80%9D%20and%20%E2%80%9Cimmigration%20reform%E2%80%9D%E2%80%94but%20at%20the%20same%20time%20hypocritically%20support%20Israel%20which%20now%20uses%20DNA%20tests%20on%20potential%20immigrants%20in%E2%80%A6> >> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/shareArticle?mini=true&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewobserveronline.com%2Fjews-demand-open-borders-for-usa-but-use-dna-to-keep-israel-racially-pure%2F&title=Jews%20Demand%20Open%20Borders%20for%20USA,%20But%20Use%20DNA%20to%20Keep%20Israel%20Racially%20Pure&summary=Jews%20in%20America%20are%20100%20percent%20united%20in%20demanding%20%E2%80%9Copen%20borders%E2%80%9D%20and%20%E2%80%9Cimmigration%20reform%E2%80%9D%E2%80%94but%20at%20the%20same%20time%20hypocritically%20support%20Israel%20which%20now%20uses%20DNA%20tests%20on%20potential%20immigrants%20in%E2%80%A6&source=The%20New%20Observer> >> >> Jews in America are 100 percent united in demanding “open borders” and >> “immigration reform”—but at the same time hypocritically support Israel >> which now uses DNA tests on potential immigrants in order to keep the >> Jewish state racially pure. >> >> Just this past weekend, nearly 1,300 rabbis and a number of cantors from >> all streams of American Jewry joined together to call on the US Congress to >> pass comprehensive immigration reform. >> >> In a letter sent to the Congress, which they also published on their >> website >> <http://rac.org/Articles/index.cfm?id=23267&pge_prg_id=16390&pge_id=2541>, >> the rabbis said that immigration reform was “in keeping” with the “Jewish >> High Holy Days” demand of “the spirit of self-examination as individuals >> and as a society.” >> >> The letter was signed by leading clergy of the Reform, Conservative, >> Orthodox, and Reconstructionist movements and called for “common sense >> immigration reform” to reflect a “shared commitment to a path to >> citizenship, improved family reunification policies, humane and effective >> border security, sensible worker visa policies, and avenues for refugees >> and asylum seekers.” >> >> The letter went on to say that Jewish history “coupled with the >> most-often repeated Biblical commandment to love the stranger inspires our >> advocacy for immigration reform…” >> [image: Sammie Moshenberg, operations director of the Washington NJWC >> gives Communist salute during sit-in pro-immigration protest in D.C. this >> past week.]Sammie Moshenberg, operations director of the Washington NJWC >> gives Communist salute during sit-in pro-immigration protest in D.C. this >> past week. >> >> This is not the only such statement by the organized Jewish community in >> America. Just this past week, the director of Washington operations for the >> National Council of Jewish Women, Sammie Moshenberg , was among more >> than 100 activists arrested for a “sit-in” pro-immigration protest at the >> US Capitol building. >> <http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/national-news/jewish-womens-group-head-among-100-arrested-immigration-protest> >> >> The American Jewish Congress (AJC), the single largest Jewish >> organization in America, has a special advocacy group set up to promote >> “immigration reform.” >> >> According to the AJC website devoted specially to promoting nonwhite >> immigration into America >> <http://www.ajc.org/site/c.7oJILSPwFfJSG/b.8467015/k.CC42/Immigration_Reform.htm>, >> that Jewish organization boasts that it “promotes a fair and just >> immigration policy consistent with our position that a strong America is >> vital for global freedom and security. >> >> [image: AJC1] >> >> “National conflict over immigration undermines America’s strength and our >> country’s commitment to democratic and humanitarian values. With our shared >> immigrant experience, the Jewish people understand that upholding the >> rights of immigrants is vital to a strong America,” the AJC says. >> >> An article in the Jewish newspaper, the *Daily Forward,* announced that “Jews >> Unite Behind Push for Immigration Reform >> <http://forward.com/articles/179296/jews-unite-behind-push-for-immigration-reform/?p=all>” >> and significantly added that “Ethics and Self-Interest Drive Unusual >> Nationwide Effort.” >> >> [image: forward012] >> >> The *Daily Forward* article says that those “leading an active push for >> the [immigration reform] bill, which will offer a path to citizenship for >> some of the nation’s 11 million undocumented aliens, include the Hebrew >> Immigrant Aid Society, the American Jewish Committee, the Anti-Defamation >> League, the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, Bend the Arc and the >> National Council of Jewish Women. >> >> “The Senate vote—and the even harder struggle that will follow in the >> Republican-controlled House—represents the fulfillment of a sustained >> campaign by the Jewish community for immigration reform, which has built >> momentum over the past decade. >> >> Quoting the president and CEO of an organization called the Hebrew >> Immigrant Aid Society (HIAS)—which used to promote Jewish immigration, but >> now promotes all nonwhite immigration into America, Mark Hetfield, the*Daily >> Forward* said Jews promoted immigration because it was in their >> ‘strategic interest.’ >> >> “It’s the ethical thing to do,” said HIAS president and CEO, of the >> community’s immigration reform activism. But he quickly added, “It’s in our >> strategic interest.” >> >> However, in Israel—which all of these Jewish organizations and >> individuals quoted above support fanatically—an immigration policy which is >> the exact opposite is rigorously enforced. >> >> Israel’s “Law of Return” immigration policy is actually based upon the >> Nazi Nuremburg race laws, which defined a Jew as anyone with two or more >> Jewish grandparents. >> >> This law of return is not based on religion—because Jewish atheists also >> qualify for settlement in Israel. They do not have to be believing Jews to >> come to Israel—all they have to have is biological Jewish ancestry. >> >> In addition, it is illegal for Jews to marry non-Jews in Israel >> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/12/israel-civil-marriage-ban_n_3429764.html>—another >> direct carryover from the Nazi laws concerning race. >> >> [image: jewish-marriage1] >> >> Israel also has a zero tolerance policy for asylum seekers. They have >> set up concentration camps in which thousands of Africans are interred >> awaiting deportation >> <http://972mag.com/photo-essay-a-desert-prison-built-to-hold-thousand-of-refugees/58970/>, >> and most recently, the Jewish state announced that it was deporting all >> Africans to Uganda, no matter which country they originally came from. >> <http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/30/israel-plan-deport-african-migrants-uganda> >> [image: Israeli concentration in southern Israel set up to hold African >> asylum seekers.] >> <http://972mag.com/photo-essay-a-desert-prison-built-to-hold-thousand-of-refugees/58970/>*Israeli >> concentration in southern Israel set up to hold African asylum seekers.* >> >> [image: israel-deports-Africans1] >> >> Finally, Israel has recently announced that it is to start testing >> immigrants for Jewish DNA before allowing them to settle in Israel. >> <http://newobserveronline.com/israel-starts-using-dna-to-check-for-jewishness-of-immigrants/> >> This >> significant move (because it confirms a biological basis to Judaism) came >> about because of concern in Israel over suspected non-Jews entering Israel >> from the former Soviet Union countries. >> >> [image: TOI-DNA2] >> >> Israel, therefore, has a completely racially-based immigration policy, >> and only allows people of biological Jewish descent to immigrate to that >> nation. >> >> This policy is directly contradictory to the position taken by Jewish >> groups in America and other European nations—yet these same Jewish >> organizations will defend Israel to the last. >> >> To put this into perspective: If America, or any nation for that matter, >> had to adopt racially based immigration policies and check the DNA of >> potential immigrants before allowing them to settle, these Jewish >> organizations would be up in arms and screaming “Nazi” and “holocaust” from >> the rooftops. >> >> Yet Israel can adopt such policies without anyone raising so much as a >> peep of protest. On the contrary, these same Jewish organizations will >> fanatically support Israel’s “right to be a Jewish state.” >> >> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 12:24:21 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >> The Catholic Church as an entity provides charitable relief to any person >> in need. >> >> I have no qualms with that. >> >> Your suggestion that "jews" promote open borders is presumptive, >> Anti-Semitic, and not at all even remotely correct >> >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Bear Guy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> You continually conflate American Jews with Israelis. They are not the >> same thing. >> >> As Ben Shapiro explains here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5IqH7oJ9h4 >> >> >> >> Thatbearguy >> @Thatbearguy >> >> >> >> On 22 October 2015 at 12:23, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Then maybe you need to reconsider your premise? >> --- >> not at all. >> regardless of their political affiliation ... catholics provide more aid >> and support to illegals than anyone and jews promote open borders and >> amnesty in America but not israel. >> >> Rabbi Mark Diamond stood on the border with Mexico on a brisk February >> day, alongside the Rev. Alexei Smith of the Catholic Archdiocese, the Rev. >> Mary Glasspool of the Episcopal Diocese and a host of clergy from >> Presbyterian, Methodist and United Church of Christ ministries. >> >> All of them peered through the corrugated steel wall at the rough miles >> between countries. The scene evoked thoughts of the old adage Mexicans >> invoke about their country: “So far from God, so close to the United >> States!” >> >> Diamond, the American Jewish Committee’s Los Angeles director, who >> arranged the clerics’ 25-member fact-finding mission, is hoping to bridge a >> comparable distance — between a life of promise and a life of uncertainty — >> for millions of noncitizens in the United States. >> >> Diamond’s key role in organizing this gathering was no isolated communal >> act. After months of delay, the U.S. Senate is set to vote on the most >> comprehensive immigration reform legislation in 27 years. And Jewish groups >> across the country are acting together in a way characteristic of the >> community on few issues besides Israel. >> >> “It’s about the right thing to do,” said Robert Gittelson, co-founder of >> Conservatives for Comprehensive Immigration Reform, and a Republican. In >> op-ed pieces and interviews, Gittelson, a retired Jewish businessman from >> California’s San Fernando Valley, has called certain GOP strategies on >> immigration reform “un-biblical” and “cruel.” >> >> Those leading an active push for the bill, which will offer a path to >> citizenship for some of the nation’s 11 million undocumented aliens, >> include the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, the American Jewish Committee, >> the Anti-Defamation League, the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, Bend the >> Arc and the National Council of Jewish Women. >> >> The Senate vote — and the even harder struggle that will follow in the >> Republican-controlled House — represents the fulfillment of a sustained >> campaign by the Jewish community for immigration reform, which has built >> momentum over the past decade. >> >> Whether or not the necessary votes are mustered from both houses to land >> a historic immigration law reform bill on President Obama’s desk, Jewish >> outreach, particularly in the Southwest — home to the largest share of >> America’s emerging and increasingly powerful ethnic and interfaith >> populations — promises to be politically and socially influential beyond >> the issue it addresses. >> >> California, with 2.6 million undocumented residents, is a front line in >> the battle for this reform. And a Jewish establishment ever mindful of its >> need to operate through alliances and coalitions to advance its own >> interests is not blind to the implications of the issue in a country whose >> demography is shifting rapidly. In addition to working with Latino groups, >> the ADL’s Southwest regional office has forged alliances with Asian groups >> representing undocumented Koreans, Chinese, Filipino and other Asian >> Pacific immigrants in the Southland. >> >> “It’s the ethical thing to do,” said HIAS president and CEO Mark >> Hetfield, of the community’s immigration reform activism. But he quickly >> added, “It’s in our strategic interest.” >> >> Angelica Salas, executive director of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant >> Rights of Los Angeles, reflects the deepening relationship that Jewish >> groups are developing through their visibility on the immigration issue. >> >> “I really admire the way that the Jewish community has gone deep in >> support of immigration reform,” Salas told the Forward. A 15-year veteran >> of immigration rights activism, Salas fondly recalled a 2006 mass >> mobilization, when a procession through L.A. streets began with a cantor >> blowing a shofar and singing “Let my people stay!” >> >> Salas counted efforts by Jewish organizations as second only to Catholic >> groups in their impact. A key factor, she said, is that HIAS and the AJC, >> founded at the height of Jewish immigration more than a century ago, have a >> built-up institutional expertise at integrating new arrivals into American >> society, with programs, legal resources and family services already in >> place — but now serving Spanish speakers instead of Yiddish. >> >> The Ford Foundation recently awarded a two-year $1 million grant to the >> AJC’s Bridging America Project, which is planning “joint advocacy workshops >> in Dallas, New York and Washington, D.C.; a ‘national conversation’ among >> Latino and Jewish leaders about issues of mutual concern, and conferences >> in Houston, Miami and New Jersey on the economic benefits of immigration, >> among other activities. >> >> Salas has also worked closely with the ADL, which keeps a keen eye on >> extremist groups that have set up vigilante patrols on the border between >> the United States and Mexico. An ADL study reported that “violent incidents >> against illegal immigrants have been brutal and are occurring with greater >> regularity, further intensifying the atmosphere of fear and suspicion on >> both sides of the border.” The ADL has also tracked a rise in hate crimes, >> discrimination cases and bigotry against Latinos. >> >> In L.A. — a city where Latinos are nearly half the population and whose >> new mayor, Eric Garcetti, boasts both Jewish and Mexican heritage — Salas’s >> group also works with the Progressive Jewish Alliance, the Jewish Labor >> Committee and Bend the Arc, a progressive national Jewish group, in pushing >> for immigrant labor protections. >> >> “It’s not a one-way street,” Salas said. When it comes to Israel, the >> Latina activist suggested, the two groups’ relationship may help to modify >> anti-Israel viewpoints and foster dialogue rather than demonization. “It >> comes up,” Salas said, referring to the Middle East issue, “and there’s a >> perspective: ‘Isn’t this [U.S. treatment of Latinos] the same as in Israel >> with the Palestinians?’ It’s an opportunity to talk that through, to talk >> in the context of global immigrant policy, where people can be critical, >> but in good faith.” >> >> Newly arrived Latinos tend to show higher rates of anti-Semitism, said >> Amanda Susskind, the ADL’s Pacific Southwest regional director. She >> attributed the phenomenon, which shows up in surveys, to “exposure to some >> religious teachings.” But the next generation, she said, is no different in >> its relationship with Jews than the rest of Americans. >> >> Asians are also active in coalitions with Jewish groups addressing >> immigration issues. “We appreciate the partnership with our Jewish allies,” >> said Betty Hung, policy director of the L.A.–based Asian Pacific American >> Legal Center. An estimated 3 million undocumented U.S. residents are Asian. >> California counts the nation’s largest Asian population without legal >> resident status — about 400,000. APALC has been an active participant in >> the ADL’s Asian Jewish Initiative, founded in 2006, which brings together >> civic, business, academic and faith leaders in the L.A. community for >> social mixers, awards dinners and educational programs. >> >> For all this organizational solidarity, opponents of the reform >> legislation are not hard to find in the Jewish community. >> >> One outspoken Jewish opponent is Stephen Steinlight, a former director of >> national affairs for AJC who criticizes the bill as “amnesty” for illegal >> immigrants and opposes any “pathway to citizenship” for them. >> >> “My views changed,” he told the Forward, explaining his break with the >> AJC and his alliance with the conservative Center for Immigrations Studies. >> “AJC made no distinction between legal and illegal immigration,” he said. >> >> Steinlight, who characterizes the pro-reform Jewish leaders as >> “do-gooders leaning over backwards for the aggrieved,” sees immigration as >> a threat to American workers, especially under-employed African Americans. >> Groups like AJC and HIAS, he said, are “trying to make amends for doing >> nothing for Jews during the Holocaust.” >> >> Diamond acknowledged that views similar to Steinlight’s are not hard to >> find. “To my dismay, I have heard more than a few voices in the Jewish >> community — rabbis I respect, and other leaders — who have said to me, >> ‘This is not our problem,’” Diamond said. “My response is that this is very >> much a Jewish issue, one of the most critical issues facing us in this >> country, and certainly here in Southern California.” >> >> For Wendy Braitman, a member of IKAR, the L.A. Jewish congregation led by >> Rabbi Sharon Brous that has made social activism a mitzvah, it’s also >> personal. “I feel like it’s my story,” she said. Braitman embodies the >> grassroots dimension of much of the Jewish activism on this issue. In >> April, Braitman sat in Senator Dianne Feinstein’s Washington office with a >> group of interfaith activists who paid their own way from the California >> lawmaker’s home state to lobby her. “I told her I was Jewish,” said >> Braitman, “and that the issue was of importance to Jews all over the >> country. As Jews we know what it’s like to live in the shadows.” >> >> On the pro-reform Jewish right, meanwhile, support comes with the some of >> the same caveats that many conservatives have been using to hold up the >> pending legislation: that undocumented residents should be treated as >> lawbreakers who will be subjected to fines and blocked from full >> citizenship even if allowed to stay as permanent residents. Border security >> must also be beefed up, they demand, as a pre-condition to any reform. >> >> Matthew Brooks, executive director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, >> emphasized that the final legislative package must be a bill that >> “addresses the challenges of illegal immigration and securing our borders >> in a way that will win the support and trust of the American people.” >> >> As an entrepreneur who built a successful garment manufacturing business, >> Gittelson is also focused on the bill’s labor implications. For one thing, >> Gittelson would like to see the cap on guest-worker visas — topped off in >> the Senate bill at 200,000 per year — match the actual demand for labor, >> which he says is 300,000 annually at the lowest. >> >> “The Senate bill shortchanges the economy,” Gittelson maintained. He >> blamed unions for setting the low quota. “We need a free-market solution, >> not a union solution,” he said. >> >> Gittelson’s CCIR co-founder is Samuel Rodriguez, a politically >> conservative evangelical Christian who is president of the National >> Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference. Despite their reservations, >> Gittelson said, he and Rodriguez are standing with progressives on >> immigration reform. “When it comes to this issue, we see eye to eye, or at >> least 90%.” He has recently joined AJC’s Immigration Task Force. >> >> In Washington, as the bill has been pulled apart and slapped together, >> the Jewish community has advanced strong arguments for what should be in it >> — and what shouldn’t. >> >> Family reunification is high on the list of must-haves. Border security >> is ranked low. Border security is a valid concern, Diamond acknowledged, >> something he learned firsthand on his trip to the border near Tijuana. “But >> the issue is how we are deploying our resources,” he said. “Are we >> targeting gun smugglers and sex traffickers, or are we targeting that >> 27-yearold man who’s been deported and is trying to get back to his family?” >> >> The legislative package submitted to the Senate also notably does not >> include the Uniting American Families Act, sponsored by Vermont Democrat >> Patrick Leahy. This measure would have allowed an American citizen or >> permanent resident who was lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender to >> petition for immigrant status on behalf of his or her same-sex partner as >> an immediate relative. >> >> This aspect of the bill is crucial to many Jewish activists. A coalition >> of nearly 100 New York interfaith leaders, including 37 rabbis, signed a >> letter to New York Senator Charles Schumer, urging his support for equal >> protections for LGBT Americans and their families. To their dismay, Schumer >> convinced his Democratic colleagues on the Senate Judiciary Committee to >> drop the measure from the bill, arguing that its inclusion would cost the >> support of key Republicans. Citing their own head counts, many of the >> measure’s supporters vehemently reject this argument. >> >> One victory that was won by Jews is a provision that directly involves >> Jewish interests: The Lautenberg Amendment, first passed in 1989, granted >> immigrant status to victims of religious persecution in their native lands. >> The law allowed the emigration of hundreds of thousands of Soviet Jews and >> was extended in 2004 to cover Christians, Baha’is, Jews and other religious >> minorities fleeing Iran. >> >> The law continues to assist religious minorities from those countries and >> from Southeast Asia. The new bill makes the law — which previously required >> >> ... > > -- > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. 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