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I have no qualms with that. Your suggestion that "jews" promote open borders is presumptive, Anti-Semitic, and not at all even remotely correct On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Bear Guy <[email protected]> wrote: > You continually conflate American Jews with Israelis. They are not the > same thing. > > As Ben Shapiro explains here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5IqH7oJ9h4 > > > > Thatbearguy > @Thatbearguy > > > > On 22 October 2015 at 12:23, plainolamerican <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Then maybe you need to reconsider your premise? >> --- >> not at all. >> regardless of their political affiliation ... catholics provide more aid >> and support to illegals than anyone and jews promote open borders and >> amnesty in America but not israel. >> >> Rabbi Mark Diamond stood on the border with Mexico on a brisk February >> day, alongside the Rev. Alexei Smith of the Catholic Archdiocese, the Rev. >> Mary Glasspool of the Episcopal Diocese and a host of clergy from >> Presbyterian, Methodist and United Church of Christ ministries. >> >> All of them peered through the corrugated steel wall at the rough miles >> between countries. The scene evoked thoughts of the old adage Mexicans >> invoke about their country: “So far from God, so close to the United >> States!” >> >> Diamond, the American Jewish Committee’s Los Angeles director, who >> arranged the clerics’ 25-member fact-finding mission, is hoping to bridge a >> comparable distance — between a life of promise and a life of uncertainty — >> for millions of noncitizens in the United States. >> >> Diamond’s key role in organizing this gathering was no isolated communal >> act. After months of delay, the U.S. Senate is set to vote on the most >> comprehensive immigration reform legislation in 27 years. And Jewish groups >> across the country are acting together in a way characteristic of the >> community on few issues besides Israel. >> >> “It’s about the right thing to do,” said Robert Gittelson, co-founder of >> Conservatives for Comprehensive Immigration Reform, and a Republican. In >> op-ed pieces and interviews, Gittelson, a retired Jewish businessman from >> California’s San Fernando Valley, has called certain GOP strategies on >> immigration reform “un-biblical” and “cruel.” >> >> Those leading an active push for the bill, which will offer a path to >> citizenship for some of the nation’s 11 million undocumented aliens, >> include the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, the American Jewish Committee, >> the Anti-Defamation League, the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, Bend the >> Arc and the National Council of Jewish Women. >> >> The Senate vote — and the even harder struggle that will follow in the >> Republican-controlled House — represents the fulfillment of a sustained >> campaign by the Jewish community for immigration reform, which has built >> momentum over the past decade. >> >> Whether or not the necessary votes are mustered from both houses to land >> a historic immigration law reform bill on President Obama’s desk, Jewish >> outreach, particularly in the Southwest — home to the largest share of >> America’s emerging and increasingly powerful ethnic and interfaith >> populations — promises to be politically and socially influential beyond >> the issue it addresses. >> >> California, with 2.6 million undocumented residents, is a front line in >> the battle for this reform. And a Jewish establishment ever mindful of its >> need to operate through alliances and coalitions to advance its own >> interests is not blind to the implications of the issue in a country whose >> demography is shifting rapidly. In addition to working with Latino groups, >> the ADL’s Southwest regional office has forged alliances with Asian groups >> representing undocumented Koreans, Chinese, Filipino and other Asian >> Pacific immigrants in the Southland. >> >> “It’s the ethical thing to do,” said HIAS president and CEO Mark >> Hetfield, of the community’s immigration reform activism. But he quickly >> added, “It’s in our strategic interest.” >> >> Angelica Salas, executive director of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant >> Rights of Los Angeles, reflects the deepening relationship that Jewish >> groups are developing through their visibility on the immigration issue. >> >> “I really admire the way that the Jewish community has gone deep in >> support of immigration reform,” Salas told the Forward. A 15-year veteran >> of immigration rights activism, Salas fondly recalled a 2006 mass >> mobilization, when a procession through L.A. streets began with a cantor >> blowing a shofar and singing “Let my people stay!” >> >> Salas counted efforts by Jewish organizations as second only to Catholic >> groups in their impact. A key factor, she said, is that HIAS and the AJC, >> founded at the height of Jewish immigration more than a century ago, have a >> built-up institutional expertise at integrating new arrivals into American >> society, with programs, legal resources and family services already in >> place — but now serving Spanish speakers instead of Yiddish. >> >> The Ford Foundation recently awarded a two-year $1 million grant to the >> AJC’s Bridging America Project, which is planning “joint advocacy workshops >> in Dallas, New York and Washington, D.C.; a ‘national conversation’ among >> Latino and Jewish leaders about issues of mutual concern, and conferences >> in Houston, Miami and New Jersey on the economic benefits of immigration, >> among other activities. >> >> Salas has also worked closely with the ADL, which keeps a keen eye on >> extremist groups that have set up vigilante patrols on the border between >> the United States and Mexico. An ADL study reported that “violent incidents >> against illegal immigrants have been brutal and are occurring with greater >> regularity, further intensifying the atmosphere of fear and suspicion on >> both sides of the border.” The ADL has also tracked a rise in hate crimes, >> discrimination cases and bigotry against Latinos. >> >> In L.A. — a city where Latinos are nearly half the population and whose >> new mayor, Eric Garcetti, boasts both Jewish and Mexican heritage — Salas’s >> group also works with the Progressive Jewish Alliance, the Jewish Labor >> Committee and Bend the Arc, a progressive national Jewish group, in pushing >> for immigrant labor protections. >> >> “It’s not a one-way street,” Salas said. When it comes to Israel, the >> Latina activist suggested, the two groups’ relationship may help to modify >> anti-Israel viewpoints and foster dialogue rather than demonization. “It >> comes up,” Salas said, referring to the Middle East issue, “and there’s a >> perspective: ‘Isn’t this [U.S. treatment of Latinos] the same as in Israel >> with the Palestinians?’ It’s an opportunity to talk that through, to talk >> in the context of global immigrant policy, where people can be critical, >> but in good faith.” >> >> Newly arrived Latinos tend to show higher rates of anti-Semitism, said >> Amanda Susskind, the ADL’s Pacific Southwest regional director. She >> attributed the phenomenon, which shows up in surveys, to “exposure to some >> religious teachings.” But the next generation, she said, is no different in >> its relationship with Jews than the rest of Americans. >> >> Asians are also active in coalitions with Jewish groups addressing >> immigration issues. “We appreciate the partnership with our Jewish allies,” >> said Betty Hung, policy director of the L.A.–based Asian Pacific American >> Legal Center. An estimated 3 million undocumented U.S. residents are Asian. >> California counts the nation’s largest Asian population without legal >> resident status — about 400,000. APALC has been an active participant in >> the ADL’s Asian Jewish Initiative, founded in 2006, which brings together >> civic, business, academic and faith leaders in the L.A. community for >> social mixers, awards dinners and educational programs. >> >> For all this organizational solidarity, opponents of the reform >> legislation are not hard to find in the Jewish community. >> >> One outspoken Jewish opponent is Stephen Steinlight, a former director of >> national affairs for AJC who criticizes the bill as “amnesty” for illegal >> immigrants and opposes any “pathway to citizenship” for them. >> >> “My views changed,” he told the Forward, explaining his break with the >> AJC and his alliance with the conservative Center for Immigrations Studies. >> “AJC made no distinction between legal and illegal immigration,” he said. >> >> Steinlight, who characterizes the pro-reform Jewish leaders as >> “do-gooders leaning over backwards for the aggrieved,” sees immigration as >> a threat to American workers, especially under-employed African Americans. >> Groups like AJC and HIAS, he said, are “trying to make amends for doing >> nothing for Jews during the Holocaust.” >> >> Diamond acknowledged that views similar to Steinlight’s are not hard to >> find. “To my dismay, I have heard more than a few voices in the Jewish >> community — rabbis I respect, and other leaders — who have said to me, >> ‘This is not our problem,’” Diamond said. “My response is that this is very >> much a Jewish issue, one of the most critical issues facing us in this >> country, and certainly here in Southern California.” >> >> For Wendy Braitman, a member of IKAR, the L.A. Jewish congregation led by >> Rabbi Sharon Brous that has made social activism a mitzvah, it’s also >> personal. “I feel like it’s my story,” she said. Braitman embodies the >> grassroots dimension of much of the Jewish activism on this issue. In >> April, Braitman sat in Senator Dianne Feinstein’s Washington office with a >> group of interfaith activists who paid their own way from the California >> lawmaker’s home state to lobby her. “I told her I was Jewish,” said >> Braitman, “and that the issue was of importance to Jews all over the >> country. As Jews we know what it’s like to live in the shadows.” >> >> On the pro-reform Jewish right, meanwhile, support comes with the some of >> the same caveats that many conservatives have been using to hold up the >> pending legislation: that undocumented residents should be treated as >> lawbreakers who will be subjected to fines and blocked from full >> citizenship even if allowed to stay as permanent residents. Border security >> must also be beefed up, they demand, as a pre-condition to any reform. >> >> Matthew Brooks, executive director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, >> emphasized that the final legislative package must be a bill that >> “addresses the challenges of illegal immigration and securing our borders >> in a way that will win the support and trust of the American people.” >> >> As an entrepreneur who built a successful garment manufacturing business, >> Gittelson is also focused on the bill’s labor implications. For one thing, >> Gittelson would like to see the cap on guest-worker visas — topped off in >> the Senate bill at 200,000 per year — match the actual demand for labor, >> which he says is 300,000 annually at the lowest. >> >> “The Senate bill shortchanges the economy,” Gittelson maintained. He >> blamed unions for setting the low quota. “We need a free-market solution, >> not a union solution,” he said. >> >> Gittelson’s CCIR co-founder is Samuel Rodriguez, a politically >> conservative evangelical Christian who is president of the National >> Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference. Despite their reservations, >> Gittelson said, he and Rodriguez are standing with progressives on >> immigration reform. “When it comes to this issue, we see eye to eye, or at >> least 90%.” He has recently joined AJC’s Immigration Task Force. >> >> In Washington, as the bill has been pulled apart and slapped together, >> the Jewish community has advanced strong arguments for what should be in it >> — and what shouldn’t. >> >> Family reunification is high on the list of must-haves. Border security >> is ranked low. Border security is a valid concern, Diamond acknowledged, >> something he learned firsthand on his trip to the border near Tijuana. “But >> the issue is how we are deploying our resources,” he said. “Are we >> targeting gun smugglers and sex traffickers, or are we targeting that >> 27-yearold man who’s been deported and is trying to get back to his family?” >> >> The legislative package submitted to the Senate also notably does not >> include the Uniting American Families Act, sponsored by Vermont Democrat >> Patrick Leahy. This measure would have allowed an American citizen or >> permanent resident who was lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender to >> petition for immigrant status on behalf of his or her same-sex partner as >> an immediate relative. >> >> This aspect of the bill is crucial to many Jewish activists. A coalition >> of nearly 100 New York interfaith leaders, including 37 rabbis, signed a >> letter to New York Senator Charles Schumer, urging his support for equal >> protections for LGBT Americans and their families. To their dismay, Schumer >> convinced his Democratic colleagues on the Senate Judiciary Committee to >> drop the measure from the bill, arguing that its inclusion would cost the >> support of key Republicans. Citing their own head counts, many of the >> measure’s supporters vehemently reject this argument. >> >> One victory that was won by Jews is a provision that directly involves >> Jewish interests: The Lautenberg Amendment, first passed in 1989, granted >> immigrant status to victims of religious persecution in their native lands. >> The law allowed the emigration of hundreds of thousands of Soviet Jews and >> was extended in 2004 to cover Christians, Baha’is, Jews and other religious >> minorities fleeing Iran. >> >> The law continues to assist religious minorities from those countries and >> from Southeast Asia. The new bill makes the law — which previously required >> annual renewal by Congress — permanent. Jewish activists saw that win as a >> fitting tribute to the late New Jersey senator Frank Lautenberg. >> >> Ira Handelman, chair of AJC’s Los Angeles Public Policy Committee, said >> that if and when the legislation becomes law, the interfaith and >> immigrant-activist coalitions in which Jewish organizations are now >> involved may move on to tackle other issues. These include the ongoing >> national debates over education policy, economic development and social >> justice, apart from immigration. >> >> >> Read more: >> http://forward.com/news/179296/jews-unite-behind-push-for-immigration-reform/#ixzz3pJZ9KYUe >> >> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 11:12:30 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> Then maybe you need to reconsider your premise? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:52 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> as if all jews and catholics are democrats. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 10:46:12 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes. Democrats who wish to see illegal aliens allowed to vote. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:26 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> nobody provides more aid and support to illegals than the catholic >>>>>> and jewish clergy. >>>>>> we know who promotes open borders and amnesty and why. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 8:14:25 AM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://arkansasgopwing.blogspot.com/2015/10/how-senators-voted-on-sanctuary-cities.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>> >>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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