The goal of zionists was to take back their ancestral lands from the people who lived there for centuries ... kinda like if Lenni-Lenape decided that they wanted New Jersey back and did everything to make it so ... even terrorist acts!!!
Here's a primer on zionism: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/zionism.html On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey Brine! > > What is it that you think Zionism's goals are? > > > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Perhaps you need to learn about zionism and what its goals are!!! >> >> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Regan Duffy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Non sequiturs piled upon non sequiturs. >>> >>> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID* >>> >>> >>> Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I understood Plain Ol to be saying that zionists by the nature of >>> zionism require that they occupy what was formerly Palestine and >>> Trans-Jordan ... a land mass!!! >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Regan Duffy <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Non-sequitoritis strikes again. >>>> >>>> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID* >>>> >>>> >>>> plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> A Country is not simply the land mass that you occupy. >>>> --- >>>> try telling a zionist that. >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 5:10:14 PM UTC-6, fed up wrote: >>>>> >>>>> She was obviously using this approach to illustrate a few concepts >>>>> that progressives are too dull to understand: >>>>> 1. Liberals are constantly redefining terms with long held definitions >>>>> to suit their narrative. >>>>> 2. The term "Native American" is a misnomer since the ancestors of >>>>> the various Indian tribes came from Eurasia by crossing the Bering sea >>>>> when >>>>> the Bering Strait was frozen, following migrating herds (i.e. they came >>>>> here to exploit the natural resources). The first Americans were thus >>>>> also >>>>> immigrants. >>>>> 3. Countries are voluntary (or involuntary for those living under >>>>> Communist regimes) associations of people who have made a social contract >>>>> to live by certain rules, including borders. A Country is not simply the >>>>> land mass that you occupy. >>>>> >>>>> These are apparently difficult concepts to comprehend for that segment >>>>> of our society whose thoughts and actions are the outcome of random, >>>>> hormone (or drug) induced neural firings in response to external stimuli. >>>>> >>>>> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> *"Ann is an idiot living off the idiocy of the gop." *Says a Racist >>>>> Anti-Semitic Anti-American..... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 2:06 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ann is an idiot living off the idiocy of the gop. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 1:00:10 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Everyone (or their ancestors) came from somewhere else. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> B >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.mintpressnews.com/ann-coulter-claims-to-be-native-american-because-she-descended-from-settlers/211113/ >>>>>>> Ann Coulter Claims To Be Native American Because She Descended From >>>>>>> Settlers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: Description: Ann Coulter] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Ann Coulter* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ann Coulter <http://www.anncoulter.com>made a guest appearance on *The >>>>>>> View <http://abc.go.com/shows/the-view>*to promote her latest book >>>>>>> *Adios, >>>>>>> America: The Left’s Plan to Turn Our Country Into a Third World Hellhole >>>>>>> <http://www.amazon.com/Adios-America-Lefts-Country-Hellhole-ebook/dp/B00R3L7502>*. >>>>>>> Since Coulter has built an entire career on the shock value of her >>>>>>> political opinions, it is not surprising that this interview was filled >>>>>>> with controversial statements about immigrants, and a questionable >>>>>>> presentation of United States history. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A couple minutes into the interview >>>>>>> <http://morningafter.gawker.com/watch-the-women-of-the-view-wail-on-ann-coulter-for-fou-1736942566>, >>>>>>> host Ana Navarro <http://abc.go.com/shows/the-view/cast/ana-navarro> >>>>>>> challenged Coulter’s views about immigrants by asking if her family >>>>>>> immigrated to America. Coulter responded to Navarro’s question by >>>>>>> stating >>>>>>> that she is actually a Native American because she descended from the >>>>>>> early >>>>>>> settlers who founded the United States. Coulter goes on to say that she >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> also not an immigrant >>>>>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/megan-smolenyak-smolenyak/ann-coulters-immigrant-an_b_8332212.html> >>>>>>> because she does not currently reside on tribal land (even though she >>>>>>> likely does). The interview transcript that is listed below outlines the >>>>>>> conversation between Navarro and Coulter: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Ana Navarro:** “What’s your family’s immigration story, right, are >>>>>>> you a Native American?”* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Ann Coulter:** “Why, yes I am. I am a settler. I am >>>>>>> descended from settlers—not from immigrants.”* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Raven-Symoné:** “So that’s not a Native American, you >>>>>>> are…”* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Padma Lakshmi:** “That’s not a Native American, that’s >>>>>>> an immigrant…That’s just a holder…”* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Ann Coulter:** “No, if you mean Indian…If you mean >>>>>>> INDIAN…”* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Ana Navarro:** “Were you already here when the >>>>>>> pilgrims showed up? Were your people here?”* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Ann Coulter:** “Well no, but I am not living in >>>>>>> Cherokee Nation. So, I am not an immigrant to Cherokee Nation. I am >>>>>>> living >>>>>>> in America—which was created by settlers, not immigrants.”* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Although Coulter shares a number of questionable comments throughout >>>>>>> the interview, I would like to focus this discussion on why Coulter >>>>>>> chooses >>>>>>> to call herself a Native American. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Coulter’s beliefs about the history of the United States are steeped >>>>>>> in a Manifest Destiny >>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny> narrative. To >>>>>>> Coulter, America came into existence because of the efforts and >>>>>>> ingenuity >>>>>>> of early settlers to discover an unoccupied territory and forge a >>>>>>> government. Coulter defends this half-truth by stating that: “[she is] >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> living in Cherokee Nation. So [she is] not an immigrant to Cherokee >>>>>>> Nation. >>>>>>> [She is] living in America—which was created by settlers, not >>>>>>> immigrants.” >>>>>>> Her views on how America came to be purposefully ignore the long legacy >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> aboriginal land ownership. Moreover, she does not acknowledge that >>>>>>> America >>>>>>> was not unoccupied when it was “discovered” by settlers, or the >>>>>>> atrocities >>>>>>> that were committed against Native people that resulted in the >>>>>>> displacement >>>>>>> of these societies to the reservations that exist today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The core of Coulter’s argument against immigration (which is >>>>>>> highlighted in the interview transcript) is that there exists two >>>>>>> classifications of immigrants, (1) the early settlers that predate the >>>>>>> United States, and (2) everyone else. Coulter is not using the term >>>>>>> *Native >>>>>>> American* to claim a connection to a Native Nation, rather, she is >>>>>>> using the label as a rhetorical tool to weave a semantic argument. Her >>>>>>> bastardized definition of* Native American* enables her to craft an >>>>>>> artificial (and arguably racist) hierarchy where her ancestry and >>>>>>> individuals sharing a similar background as her are deemed “real >>>>>>> Americans.” In essence, Coulter has given herself the right to define >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> belongs in this Country, and who does not. Following Coulter’s argument >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> its logical end, neither Native people or anyone who has immigrated in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> last 100 years can fit into Coulter’s narrowed definition of a “real >>>>>>> American.” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Coulter is soft-selling this Country’s painful history of >>>>>>> colonization in order to spin a more palatable creation story of the >>>>>>> United >>>>>>> States that is in alignment with her political orientations, and her >>>>>>> understanding of herself as a “true American.” However, for Coulter to >>>>>>> admit that she is anything other than a *Native American *would >>>>>>> weaken her broader ideological arguments against immigration to >>>>>>> a-pot-calling-a-kettle-black debate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Dr. Christie Poitra holds a PhD in Educational Policy from Michigan >>>>>>> State University, and a Master of Arts degree in American Indian Studies >>>>>>> from UCLA. 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