Ideologist; no question.
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:18 PM, geoffrey theist <[email protected]> wrote: > Was he labeled a communist due to the necessity of association or was he > an ideologue? > On May 31, 2016 8:07 PM, "Keith In Tampa" <[email protected]> wrote: > > True.....Although Minh was always a communist, and had communist > sympathies and leaned that way long before the altercation with the French > colonialists in the late 1940s and early 1950s.... > > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 8:45 PM, geoffrey theist <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> In all fairness I have read that Ho Chi Minh proposed to the American >> government to adopt a constitution for Vietnam based on the US constitution >> and asked for assistance getting rid of the French colonialist of course we >> sent him packing right into the arms of Mao Tse Tung and helped our always >> reliable french allies instead. well once again we were left left with our >> thumb up our collective ass..... >> On May 31, 2016 7:29 PM, "Keith In Tampa" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It's sad to watch Secular Progressives attempt to delve into subject >>> matter that they have no clue or inkling about.....Pitiful..... >>> >>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:17 PM, plainolamerican < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> it's fun to watch warmongering neocons, zionists and republicans shake >>>> and tremble in fear and scream for more war. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 2:22:59 PM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Daniel Greenfield's article: Obama's Ho Chi Minh Trail >>>>> <http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/> >>>>> >>>>> [image: Link to Sultan Knish] <http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Posted: 30 May 2016 07:17 AM PDT >>>>> >>>>> On his visit to meet with Communist leaders in Vietnam, Obama >>>>> criticized the United States for having, “too much money in our politics, >>>>> and rising economic inequality, racial bias in our criminal justice >>>>> system.” He praised Ho Chi Minh’s evocation of the “American Declaration >>>>> of >>>>> Independence” and claimed that we had “shared ideals” with the murderous >>>>> Communist dictator. >>>>> >>>>> <https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IeRfXyjtn0Q/V0xK2_QkXMI/AAAAAAAAPzU/C7U9taNV4cE2-BJW75uLHNpRiFJljdaTgCLcB/s1600/22-stockdale-homecoming-sd.jpg> >>>>> Shortly after the “evocation” that Obama praised, his beloved Ho was >>>>> hard at work purging the opposition, political and religious. When Obama >>>>> references these “shared ideals”, does he perhaps mean Ho’s declaration, >>>>> “All who do not follow the line laid down by me will be broken.” >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps he means the euphemistically named “land reform” which may >>>>> have killed up to a million people. Like Stalin and Mao, Ho Chi Minh >>>>> seized >>>>> land and executed property owners as “enemies of the state”. The original >>>>> plan had been to murder one in a thousand. But the relatively modest plan >>>>> for mass murder was swiftly exceeded by the enthusiastic Communist death >>>>> squads. >>>>> >>>>> Obama has consistently called for wealth redistribution. This is what >>>>> it really looks like. It’s men being hung from trees or lying in dirt >>>>> dying >>>>> of malaria. It’s death squads coming in the night. It’s a declaration that >>>>> you are to be executed because you are the wrong class in a class war. >>>>> It’s >>>>> a man condemned to hard labor in a New Economic Zone and a family starving >>>>> to death because the regime has commanded that they must be made an >>>>> example >>>>> of to other peasants. >>>>> >>>>> What’s wrong with a little wealth redistribution anyway? >>>>> >>>>> As Obama said, on his visit to the brutal Communist dictatorship in >>>>> Cuba, “So often in the past there’s been a sharp division between left and >>>>> right, between capitalist and communist or socialist... And especially in >>>>> the Americas, that’s been a big debate, right? Oh, you know, you’re a >>>>> capitalist Yankee dog, and oh, you know, you’re some crazy communist >>>>> that’s >>>>> going to take away everybody’s property... you should be practical and >>>>> just >>>>> choose from what works. You don’t have to worry about whether it neatly >>>>> fits into socialist theory or capitalist theory — you should just decide >>>>> what works.” >>>>> >>>>> Does Vietnam’s Communist dictatorship work? Obama seems to think that >>>>> it does, talking up the, “skyscrapers and high-rises of Hanoi and Ho Chi >>>>> Minh City, and new shopping malls and urban centers. We see it in the >>>>> satellites Vietnam puts into space”. What’s a million dead when you’ve got >>>>> satellites in space? What does it matter if you don’t have freedom of >>>>> speech when there are skyscrapers in Ho Chi Minh City? >>>>> >>>>> Unlike Pol Pot, whose genocidal crimes leftist activists like Noam >>>>> Chomsky tried and failed to cover up, the Communist butchery in Vietnam >>>>> that took place even long before the Vietnam War has largely been erased >>>>> from common history. The victims of Ho Chi Minh and his successors have >>>>> become non-persons not just in Vietnam, but in Washington D.C. Instead >>>>> Obama associates one of history’s bloodiest Communist butchers with Thomas >>>>> Jefferson. >>>>> >>>>> What of the Declaration of Independence was there in Ho’s >>>>> concentration camps? The brutal Communist regime whose ideals Obama >>>>> praises, sent political dissidents to camps. Are those the ideals he >>>>> shares >>>>> with Uncle Ho? >>>>> >>>>> Obama praises the “Vietnamese constitution, which states that >>>>> ‘citizens have the right to freedom of speech and freedom of the press, >>>>> and >>>>> have the right of access to information, the right to assembly, the right >>>>> to association, and the right to demonstrate.’ That’s in the Vietnamese >>>>> constitution.” >>>>> >>>>> The Soviet constitution had the same empty guarantees. The Nhan >>>>> Van-Giai Pham intellectuals who were purged can testify that these words >>>>> were as meaningless as those of the Vietnamese Declaration of Independence >>>>> which Obama had quoted earlier. More relevantly the fourth article of the >>>>> Vietnamese Constitution states that the “The Communist Party of Vietnam... >>>>> the faithful representative of the interests of the working class, >>>>> laborers >>>>> and the whole nation, acting upon the Marxist-Leninist doctrine and Ho Chi >>>>> Minh's thought, is the leading force of the State and society.” That means >>>>> there’s no freedom of speech, press, assembly or anything else except >>>>> within the confines of Marxist-Leninist doctrine and Uncle Ho’s cunning >>>>> distortions that fooled almost as many American leftists as Uncle Joe’s >>>>> plans for Eastern Europe fooled Western European leftists. >>>>> >>>>> Obama equates a Communist dictatorship to America in an ugly display >>>>> of moral equivalence. “This is an issue about all of us, each country, >>>>> trying to consistently apply these principles.” Vietnam locked up >>>>> political >>>>> bloggers for “abusing their freedom” just this March. According to Obama, >>>>> America has “too much money in politics”. Vietnam doesn’t have that >>>>> problem. It only has one party. The Communist Party. >>>>> >>>>> Vietnam only has one party because its Communist leaders banned, >>>>> purged and criminalized the opposition. But Obama doesn’t think that >>>>> Communism is a particularly bad thing. >>>>> >>>>> In his speech, he dismissed the Vietnam War as being caused by “fears >>>>> of Communism” that overcame our “shared ideals”. Why were we afraid of >>>>> Communism? It might have had to do something with the mass murder of 94 >>>>> million people by Communist regimes. It might have a few things to do with >>>>> concentration camps, bans of political parties and the imprisonment and >>>>> execution of those practicing freedom of speech, assembly and the press. >>>>> >>>>> Our “fears of Communism” were as real and valid as our “fears of >>>>> Nazism”. It is only the fellow travelers of the left who deny this >>>>> undeniable fact. >>>>> >>>>> After one bout of mass murder, Ho Chi Minh dismissed his crimes with >>>>> the words, “One cannot waken the dead.” Obama clearly agrees. The dead, >>>>> American and Vietnamese, must be written off as part of an unfortunate >>>>> conflict. We must forget why they died and embrace their killers. >>>>> >>>>> Obama marked the lives lost on “both sides” as if the Communist terror >>>>> squads butchering Vietnamese farmers or massacring Catholics were somehow >>>>> morally the equal of American soldiers dying to stop them. Lives were also >>>>> lost on both sides when America fought the Nazis. Reagan was rightly >>>>> criticized for that sort of moral equivalence when he equated Nazi >>>>> soldiers >>>>> at Bitburg and concentration camp victims. And yet the liberals who >>>>> protested that equivalence have nothing but applause when Obama equates >>>>> murdered American soldiers and butchered Vietnamese families with their >>>>> Communist killers. >>>>> >>>>> When Viet Cong terrorists threw grenades into markets, are we supposed >>>>> to mourn the children who were torn apart by shrapnel and the grenade >>>>> throwers as morally equivalent? If we equate “the names of 58,315 >>>>> Americans >>>>> who gave their lives in the conflict” with the evil they were fighting, >>>>> then we render their sacrifice worthless. >>>>> >>>>> Their deaths become a meaningless mistake in an unnecessary war caused >>>>> by our failure to understand our “shared ideals” with Ho Chi Minh and our >>>>> irrational fear of Communist concentration camps. >>>>> >>>>> That is Obama’s real message. We should have adapted some aspects of >>>>> Communism and learned from our shared values. We should have closed our >>>>> eyes to Ho Chi Minh’s atrocities as a matter of having to break human eggs >>>>> to make Socialist omelets while celebrating him as another Thomas >>>>> Jefferson. >>>>> >>>>> That is the way the left saw it. That is still the way it sees it. >>>>> >>>>> Obama’s trip to Vietnam is not a mere strategic journey, but yet >>>>> another opportunity for him to remind us that the left has not repented or >>>>> recanted of its solidarity and support for Communist terror whether in >>>>> Cuba, in Vietnam or anywhere else. 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