Hey Brine! I agree with you somewhat.....I too believe that President Obama is a Christian. The President says that he is, and although the President has lied to the American people, I will take him at his word.
Maybe better said, I don’t believe that President Obama is a Muslim. As I have said before; I do believe that President Obama’s life experiences are far different than most Americans. At a young age, President Obama’s Mother and Muslim father separated, and shortly thereafter the President’s Mother remarried an Indonesian Muslim, where the family eventually relocated. President Obama’s early education was in Indonesia in Islamic schools. More importantly, the President never had the opportunity to engage in childhood activities that you and I probably take for granted. As a child, President Obama never went to baseball or football games; or heard the jingle of the ice cream truck rolling around the neighborhood. There were no organized sports practices or sandlot football games in the neighborhood. Likewise, when growing up, the President never got to participate in our national holidays like the Fourth of July, Labor Day, Memorial Day or even Christmas; that most Americans with their families, and in their communities celebrate and hold reverent. There was no going to Church on Sundays or Sunday School. All of these concepts are foreign to the President…..What the President does relate to, and as the President has referred to on numerous occasions; President Obama grew up hearing and believed that the Islamic call to prayer was, “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.” On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > The man claims to be a Christian and I believe him ... he had exposure to > Muslim culture and Islam, so he understands it ... I will say that my > childhood growing up with an Iranian Uncle who is a Sufi Mystic helped me > more tolerant and realize that there is only one God and as long as you > honor him, it doesn't matter what religion you are!!! > > Plain Ol, I know you are anti Religion and I understand that, but I do > have my concept of faith that works for me, don't want to push it on others > and hope others could find a way to feel happy and spiritual on some > level!!! > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:15 PM, plainolamerican < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Summary >> >> A widely viewed video seems to show President Obama stating that he is a >> Muslim. It is false, and the product of dishonest editing. >> >> Although it is titled "Obama Admits He Is A Muslim," the president in >> fact has admitted no such thing. The video edits and twists his actual >> words, sometimes turning what were denials into false confessions. For >> example, it edits out the words "I’m a Christian" from one quote and "my >> Christian faith" from another. It shows him quoting from the Quran, but >> snips out his quotes from the Bible and the Talmud. >> >> Although the video gives no citations and no dates, we have tracked down >> the full quotes from the various appearances. In the Analysis section that >> follows, we take the video section by section, comparing the edited quotes >> and graphics with the full reality of what Obama actually said. >> >> We doubt many will take this nasty bit of misrepresentation seriously. >> Nevertheless, it provides an interesting case study of malicious editing. >> Analysis >> >> We’ve received many queries about this video >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY>, which has amassed more >> than 1 million views since it was posted Aug. 7. It is titled "Obama Admits >> He Is A Muslim" and is just over nine-and-a-half minutes long. It blends >> edited snippets of Obama’s own words from various appearances as a >> candidate and as president, with on-screen graphics giving the editorial >> opinions of the video’s creator. >> >> "Obama’s Muslim Roots" >> >> The first section opens with a portion of the address >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-By-President-Obama-To-The-Turkish-Parliament/> >> the >> president gave April 6, 2009, to the Turkish Parliament in Ankara. >> >> Edited quote: Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or >> have lived in a Muslim-majority country — I know, because I am one of them. >> >> Full quote: The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. >> Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a >> Muslim-majority country — I know, because I am one of them. >> >> When Obama says "I am one of them," he was speaking not of Muslims but of >> "other" Americans. He was making a distinction between Muslim Americans and >> *non-*Muslims who either have Muslim relatives or have lived in a >> country (such as Turkey) where the population is predominately Muslim. >> >> The video next shows a snippet of a speech >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-at-Cairo-University-6-04-09> >> Obama >> gave June 4 at Cairo University in Egypt. >> >> Edited quote: My father came from a Kenyan family that includes >> generations of Muslims. As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and >> heard the call of the azaan [call to prayer] at the break of dawn and at >> the fall of dusk. >> >> Full quote: I’m a Christian, but my father came from a Kenyan family >> that includes generations of Muslims. As a boy, I spent several years in >> Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and at the >> fall of dusk. >> >> Far from admitting he’s a Muslim, Obama says "I’m a Christian." But the >> video’s creator leaves that on the cutting room floor. >> >> The video continues with a later selection from the Cairo speech: >> >> Edited quote: So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to >> the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my conviction >> >> Full quote: So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to >> the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my >> conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what >> Islam is, not what it isn’t. >> >> The edited version invites the viewer to think that Obama was saying that >> his own *religious*"conviction" is based on personal experiences in >> Islamic countries. But the full quote shows Obama was talking about a >> different sort of conviction: his belief that Americans shouldn’t be guided >> by false notions about the Muslim faith. >> >> The video then gives a truncated version of an exchange between Obama and >> ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos from Sept. 7, 2008: >> >> Edited Quote — Obama: You’re absolutely right that John McCain has not >> talked about my Muslim faith >> >> Full Quote — Obama: You’re absolutely right that John McCain has not >> talked about my Muslim faith and you’re absolutely right that that has not … >> Stephanopoulos (interrupting): Your Christian faith. >> Obama: My Christian faith. Well, what I’m saying … >> Stephanopoulos (interrupting): Connections, right. >> Obama (continuing) is that he hasn’t suggested that I’m a Muslim, and I >> think that his campaign upper echelons have not either. What I think is >> fair to say is that coming out of the Republican camp, there have been >> efforts to suggest that perhaps I’m not what who I say I am when it comes >> to my faith, something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been >> going on for a pretty long time. >> >> The reference to "my Muslim faith" was widely described at the time as a >> gaffe. *The Washington Times* reported >> <http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/07/obama-verbal-slip-fuels-his-critics/> >> it >> as a "slip of the tongue." By leaving out the words "my Christian faith," >> the video dishonestly attempts to reverse the meaning of what Obama was >> saying. >> >> This section of the video closes with an on-screen graphic that slightly >> mangles a *New York Times* article >> <http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=3> from >> March 6, 2007, by columnist Nicholas Kristof. >> >> Video: In a 2007 interview with the New York Times, Obama recited the >> Muslim call to prayer in a perfect Arabic accent, and then went on to say >> that the Muslim call to prayer was "the prettiest sound on earth." >> >> Actual NYT passage: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic >> call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that >> seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), >> Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on >> Earth at sunset." >> >> The video exaggerates. Kristof actually described Obama’s accent as >> "first rate" but not "perfect." And Obama said the call to prayer is "one >> of" the prettiest sounds, not the prettiest of all. These distortions are >> minor, but still part of a systematic misrepresentation of the record. >> >> "Obama Quotes from the Koran" >> >> The second section, called "Obama quotes from the Koran," shows Obama >> quoting from Islam’s holy book during his Cairo speech. What is not >> apparent from the edited version is that the president was telling his >> mostly Muslim audience that terrorists violate moral principles taught by >> the Quran. The video also edits out Obama’s references to the Bible and the >> Talmud as it strains to make the case that he’s a Muslim. >> >> Edited quote: As the holy Quran tells us … The holy Quran teaches that … >> the holy Quran tells us … and the holy Quran also says . . >> >> Actual Passages: >> >> Obama: As the holy Quran tells us, "Be conscious of God and speak always >> the truth." That is what I will try to do today — to speak the truth as >> best I can, humbled by the task before us, and firm in my belief that the >> interests we share as human beings are far more powerful than the forces >> that drive us apart. >> >> Obama: Indeed, none of us should tolerate these extremists. They have >> killed in many countries. They have killed people of different faiths — but >> more than any other, they have killed Muslims. Their actions are >> irreconcilable with the rights of human beings, the progress of nations, >> and with Islam. The Holy Koran teaches that whoever kills an innocent is as >> — it is as if he has killed all mankind. And the Holy Koran also says >> whoever saves a person, it is as if he has saved all mankind. >> >> Obama: We have the power to make the world we seek, but only if we have >> the courage to make a new beginning, keeping in mind what has been written. >> >> The holy Quran tells us, "O mankind! We have created you male and a >> female; and we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know >> one another." >> >> The Talmud tells us: "The whole of the Torah is for the purpose of >> promoting peace." >> >> The holy Bible tells us, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be >> called sons of God." >> >> "Obama Praises and Glorifies Islam" >> >> This section begins with a passage that is accurate enough, but does not >> make clear that Obama was addressing leaders of a predominately Muslim >> ally, Turkey. It is from his April 6 address to the Turkish Parliament. >> >> Obama: We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which >> has done so much over the centuries to shape the world. >> >> That is followed by excerpts from a March 19 video address >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/nowruz/> the White House released on the >> Internet, in which Obama praised the "culture" of Iran and called it a >> "great civilization." What’s edited out is that Obama was speaking on >> Nowruz, the traditional first day of the year on the Persian calendar. >> Nowruz originated <http://www.zoroastrian.org/articles/nowruz.htm> in >> the Zoroastrian religion and had beencelebrated >> <http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Celebrations/norooz.htm> for more than a >> century before Islam arrived in what is now Iran. Although Obama referred >> to the "Islamic Republic of Iran" — the present-day official name of the >> country — he was offering no praise or glorification of the Islamic >> religion, but rather praising the more ancient Persian culture of Iran. >> >> Edited quote: I would like to speak directly to the people and leaders >> of the Islamic Republic of Iran … your great and celebrated culture. Over >> many centuries your art, your music, literature and innovation have made >> the world a better and more beautiful place. … We know that you are a great >> civilization, and your accomplishments have earned the respect of the >> United States and the world. >> >> Full quote: Today I want to extend my very best wishes to all who are >> celebrating Nowruz around the world. This holiday is both an ancient ritual >> and a moment of renewal, and I hope that you enjoy this special time of >> year with friends and family. >> >> In particular, I would like to speak directly to the people and leaders >> of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Nowruz is just one part of your great and >> celebrated culture. Over many centuries your art, your music, literature >> and innovation have made the world a better and more beautiful place. Here >> in the United States our own communities have been enhanced by the >> contributions of Iranian Americans. We know that you are a great >> civilization, and your accomplishments have earned the respect of the >> United States and the world. >> >> "Obama Defends Islam" >> >> This whole section relies on excerpts of the Cairo speech >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-at-Cairo-University-6-04-09>. >> In none of them does Obama say he himself is a Muslim. This quote leaves >> out some context: >> >> Edited quote: For instance, in the United States, rules on charitable >> giving have made it harder for Muslims to fulfill their religious >> obligation. That’s why I’m committed to working with American Muslims to >> ensure that they can fulfill zakat. … It is important for Western >> countries to avoid impeding Muslim citizens from practicing religion as >> they see fit. >> >> Obama was defending freedom of religion — not Islam as such. At one point >> he said Western countries shouldn’t dictate what clothes a Muslim woman >> should wear, for example. The video continues: >> >> Edited quote: And I consider it part of my responsibility as president >> of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam >> wherever they appear. >> >> That’s fair enough. But Obama went on to attack Muslim stereotypes of the >> U.S. The video left that on the cutting room floor: >> >> Omitted quote: But that same principle must apply to Muslim perceptions >> of America. (Applause.) Just as Muslims do not fit a crude stereotype, >> America is not the crude stereotype of a self-interested empire. The United >> States has been one of the greatest sources of progress that the world has >> ever known. >> >> "Obama Declares America to be a Muslim Nation" >> >> Obama is never shown saying the U.S. is "a Muslim nation." Instead, we >> see a clip from a June 28, 2007, keynote address >> <http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=news.display_article&mode=C&NewsID=5454> >> at >> a "Call to Renewal" conference sponsored by the liberal Christian group >> Sojourners. >> >> Edited quote: We are no longer a Christian nation. >> >> Full Quote: Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation – >> at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a >> Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers. >> >> Obama was saying the U.S. is a nation of many faiths, but by dropping the >> word "just," the edited version changes the quote’s meaning. That is >> followed by more misleading editing of a clip from an April 6, 2009, press >> conference <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIVd7YT0oWA> in Turkey: >> >> Edited quote: We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation. >> >> Full quote: And I’ve said before that one of the great strengths of the >> United States is — although as I mentioned, we have a very large Christian >> population, we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish >> nation or a Muslim nation; we consider ourselves a nation of citizens who >> are bound by ideals and a set of values. >> >> The video then shows three excerpts from the Cairo address and one from >> the Turkish Parliament speech in which he described the impact Muslims and >> Islam have made on the U.S. >> >> Obama (in Turkey): The United States has been enriched by Muslim >> Americans. >> >> Obama (In Cairo): Since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the >> United States. … Islam has always been a part of America’s story. … There >> is a mosque in every state in our union, and over 1,200 mosques within our >> borders. >> >> All that is accurate enough, but all it amounts to is paying respect to >> the religion of others. Obama wasn’t embracing Islam as his own faith. >> >> The video then shows a clip from an interview Obama gave >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/transcript-of-the-interview-of-the-president-by-laura-haim-canal-plus-6-1-09/> >> June >> 1, 2009, with a French TV station: >> >> Obama: One of the points I want to make is, if you actually took the >> number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in >> the world. >> >> Here, it is the president who is wrong — as we reported >> <http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/obama-us-one-of-the-largest-muslim-countries-not/> >> a >> couple of days after the interview. The U.S. does have perhaps 2 million >> Muslims who attend mosques, and the total Muslim population of the U.S. has >> been estimated at 6 million or 7 million. But that’s tiny compared with >> countries such as Indonesia or Pakistan. We concluded that the U.S. >> probably doesn’t even rank among the top 50 in terms of its Muslim >> population. >> >> The section then ends by repeating the quote from Cairo where Obama said, >> "Let there be no doubt, Islam is a part of America." >> >> The next section has no Obama quotes. It features Fox News pundits >> criticizing the president for a brief "bow" to Saudi King Abdullah bin >> Abdul Aziz Al-Saud during a visit in London April 1, 2009. The following >> section shows an old photo of Obama wearing African garb, which the video >> describes as "Traditional Muslim Dress," during a visit to family members >> in Kenya as a young man. (The photo is being held up by his half-brother >> Malik Obama >> <http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=malik%20obama%20karel%20prinsloo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi> >> .) >> >> "Obama Visits A Mosque" >> >> In a section called "Obama Visits A Mosque" he is pictured touring the >> famed Hagia Sophia in Istanbul, Turkey. The structure actually isn’t a >> mosque any more: It was converted to a museum in 1935 >> <http://www.hagiasophia.com/listingview.php?listingID=8>. This favorite >> tourist destination >> <http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=39645> was originally >> built as a Christian church by a Byzantine emperor, then converted to a >> mosque after Istanbul fell to the Ottoman Turks in 1453. >> >> Another section is called "Obama Sides With Islam," but it’s just TV >> reports from 2008 of Obama’s brief refusal to wear an American flag pin in >> his lapel. How that equates to siding with Islam is not explained, but in >> any case Obama reversed that decision early in his presidential campaign >> and routinely wore a flag pin through the remainder of his campaign. >> >> That section concludes with another edited quote, this one from Obama’s June >> 4 speech in Cairo >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-at-Cairo-University-6-04-09> >> : >> >> Edited Quote: [L]et me speak as clearly and as plainly as I can. … >> America is not — and never will be — at war with Islam. >> >> Full Quote: [L]et me speak as clearly and as plainly as I can about some >> specific issues that I believe we must finally confront together. The first >> issue that we have to confront is violent extremism in all of its forms. In >> Ankara, I made clear that America is not — and never will be — at war with >> Islam. (Applause.) We will, however, relentlessly confront violent >> extremists who pose a grave threat to our security — because we reject the >> same thing that people of all faiths reject: the killing of innocent men, >> women, and children. And it is my first duty as president to protect the >> American people. >> >> What the video’s creator cuts out is Obama’s denouncing "violent >> extremists" before his mostly Muslim audience. >> >> "One of them?" >> >> The video concludes with footage of a hijacked jetliner striking the >> World Trade Center’s South Tower on Sept. 11, 2001, followed by a graphic >> with the words "I am one of them" attributed to "Barack Hussein Obama." But >> as we noted at the outset, when the president said "I am one of them" to >> the Turkish Parliament in April, he was referring to Americans with Muslim >> relatives, not to terrorists. >> >> At the very end, Obama is shown saying "Thank You, and Eid-eh Shoma >> Mobarak." Although that may have sounded to the video’s creator like some >> sinister utterance in Arabic, Obama was actually speaking Farsi. And he was >> saying "Happy New Year to you" >> <http://www.farsinet.com/noruz/hajifiruz3.html> at the end of his taped TV >> remarks to the Iranian people >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/VIDEOTAPED-REMARKS-BY-THE-PRESIDENT-IN-CELEBRATION-OF-NOWRUZ/> >> on >> Nowruz. >> >> *— by Justin Bank and Brooks Jackson* >> Sources >> >> White House. "Remarks By President Obama To The Turkish Parliament >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-By-President-Obama-To-The-Turkish-Parliament/>." >> 6 Apr 2009. >> >> White House. "Remarks By the President at Cairo University. >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-cairo-university-6-04-09>" >> 4 Jun 2009. >> >> Bellatoni, Christina. "Obama’s verbal slip fuels his critics >> <http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/07/obama-verbal-slip-fuels-his-critics/> >> ." *Washington Times*. 7 Set 2008. >> >> Kristof, Nicholas, "Obama: Man of the World. >> <http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=4>" *New >> York Times*. 6 Mar 2007. >> >> Djang, Jason, "A New Year, A New Beginning >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/nowruz/>," *The White House Blog*. 19 Mar >> 2009. >> >> Jafarey, Ali A, "NowRuz – The Zarathustrian New Year >> <http://www.zoroastrian.org/articles/nowruz.htm>," www.zoroastrian.org. >> Accessed 4 Dec 2009. >> >> Obama, Barack, "Keynote Address – A Call to Renewal >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35sGJrWKcmY&feature=related>." 28 Jun >> 2007. >> >> White House, "Press Conference >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIVd7YT0oWA>," 6 Apr 2009. >> >> White House, "Interview of the President by Laura Haim, Canal Plus >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/transcript-of-the-interview-of-the-president-by-laura-haim-canal-plus-6-1-09/>." >> Jun 1 2009. >> "Obama visits mosque, Hagia Sophia >> <http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=39645>," *World >> Bulletin*. 7 Apr 2009. >> >> On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 6:53:55 AM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *[image: Cnn0-U8WAAAe2sr]* >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> [image: Avast logo] <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> >>> >>> >>> >>> __._,_.___ >>> ------------------------------ >>> Posted by: "Beowulf" <[email protected]> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> Visit Your Group >>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcTZwMTgyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0Njg4Nzc3MjQ-> >>> >>> >>> [image: Yahoo! 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