Plain Ol, I know you are anti Religion and I understand that, but I do have my concept of faith that works for me, don't want to push it on others --- it's too bad most xians and muzzies don't think the same way.
Peace & Light On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 5:55:30 PM UTC-5, brine wrote: > > The man claims to be a Christian and I believe him ... he had exposure to > Muslim culture and Islam, so he understands it ... I will say that my > childhood growing up with an Iranian Uncle who is a Sufi Mystic helped me > more tolerant and realize that there is only one God and as long as you > honor him, it doesn't matter what religion you are!!! > > Plain Ol, I know you are anti Religion and I understand that, but I do > have my concept of faith that works for me, don't want to push it on others > and hope others could find a way to feel happy and spiritual on some > level!!! > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:15 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Summary >> >> A widely viewed video seems to show President Obama stating that he is a >> Muslim. It is false, and the product of dishonest editing. >> >> Although it is titled "Obama Admits He Is A Muslim," the president in >> fact has admitted no such thing. The video edits and twists his actual >> words, sometimes turning what were denials into false confessions. For >> example, it edits out the words "I’m a Christian" from one quote and "my >> Christian faith" from another. It shows him quoting from the Quran, but >> snips out his quotes from the Bible and the Talmud. >> >> Although the video gives no citations and no dates, we have tracked down >> the full quotes from the various appearances. In the Analysis section that >> follows, we take the video section by section, comparing the edited quotes >> and graphics with the full reality of what Obama actually said. >> >> We doubt many will take this nasty bit of misrepresentation seriously. >> Nevertheless, it provides an interesting case study of malicious editing. >> Analysis >> >> We’ve received many queries about this video >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY>, which has amassed more >> than 1 million views since it was posted Aug. 7. It is titled "Obama Admits >> He Is A Muslim" and is just over nine-and-a-half minutes long. It blends >> edited snippets of Obama’s own words from various appearances as a >> candidate and as president, with on-screen graphics giving the editorial >> opinions of the video’s creator. >> >> "Obama’s Muslim Roots" >> >> The first section opens with a portion of the address >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-By-President-Obama-To-The-Turkish-Parliament/> >> the >> president gave April 6, 2009, to the Turkish Parliament in Ankara. >> >> Edited quote: Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or >> have lived in a Muslim-majority country — I know, because I am one of them. >> >> Full quote: The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. >> Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a >> Muslim-majority country — I know, because I am one of them. >> >> When Obama says "I am one of them," he was speaking not of Muslims but of >> "other" Americans. He was making a distinction between Muslim Americans and >> *non-*Muslims who either have Muslim relatives or have lived in a >> country (such as Turkey) where the population is predominately Muslim. >> >> The video next shows a snippet of a speech >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-at-Cairo-University-6-04-09> >> Obama >> gave June 4 at Cairo University in Egypt. >> >> Edited quote: My father came from a Kenyan family that includes >> generations of Muslims. As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and >> heard the call of the azaan [call to prayer] at the break of dawn and at >> the fall of dusk. >> >> Full quote: I’m a Christian, but my father came from a Kenyan family >> that includes generations of Muslims. As a boy, I spent several years in >> Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and at the >> fall of dusk. >> >> Far from admitting he’s a Muslim, Obama says "I’m a Christian." But the >> video’s creator leaves that on the cutting room floor. >> >> The video continues with a later selection from the Cairo speech: >> >> Edited quote: So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to >> the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my conviction >> >> Full quote: So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to >> the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my >> conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what >> Islam is, not what it isn’t. >> >> The edited version invites the viewer to think that Obama was saying that >> his own *religious*"conviction" is based on personal experiences in >> Islamic countries. But the full quote shows Obama was talking about a >> different sort of conviction: his belief that Americans shouldn’t be guided >> by false notions about the Muslim faith. >> >> The video then gives a truncated version of an exchange between Obama and >> ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos from Sept. 7, 2008: >> >> Edited Quote — Obama: You’re absolutely right that John McCain has not >> talked about my Muslim faith >> >> Full Quote — Obama: You’re absolutely right that John McCain has not >> talked about my Muslim faith and you’re absolutely right that that has not … >> Stephanopoulos (interrupting): Your Christian faith. >> Obama: My Christian faith. Well, what I’m saying … >> Stephanopoulos (interrupting): Connections, right. >> Obama (continuing) is that he hasn’t suggested that I’m a Muslim, and I >> think that his campaign upper echelons have not either. What I think is >> fair to say is that coming out of the Republican camp, there have been >> efforts to suggest that perhaps I’m not what who I say I am when it comes >> to my faith, something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been >> going on for a pretty long time. >> >> The reference to "my Muslim faith" was widely described at the time as a >> gaffe. *The Washington Times* reported >> <http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/07/obama-verbal-slip-fuels-his-critics/> >> it >> as a "slip of the tongue." By leaving out the words "my Christian faith," >> the video dishonestly attempts to reverse the meaning of what Obama was >> saying. >> >> This section of the video closes with an on-screen graphic that slightly >> mangles a *New York Times* article >> <http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=3> from >> March 6, 2007, by columnist Nicholas Kristof. >> >> Video: In a 2007 interview with the New York Times, Obama recited the >> Muslim call to prayer in a perfect Arabic accent, and then went on to say >> that the Muslim call to prayer was "the prettiest sound on earth." >> >> Actual NYT passage: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic >> call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that >> seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), >> Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on >> Earth at sunset." >> >> The video exaggerates. Kristof actually described Obama’s accent as >> "first rate" but not "perfect." And Obama said the call to prayer is "one >> of" the prettiest sounds, not the prettiest of all. These distortions are >> minor, but still part of a systematic misrepresentation of the record. >> >> "Obama Quotes from the Koran" >> >> The second section, called "Obama quotes from the Koran," shows Obama >> quoting from Islam’s holy book during his Cairo speech. What is not >> apparent from the edited version is that the president was telling his >> mostly Muslim audience that terrorists violate moral principles taught by >> the Quran. The video also edits out Obama’s references to the Bible and the >> Talmud as it strains to make the case that he’s a Muslim. >> >> Edited quote: As the holy Quran tells us … The holy Quran teaches that … >> the holy Quran tells us … and the holy Quran also says . . >> >> Actual Passages: >> >> Obama: As the holy Quran tells us, "Be conscious of God and speak always >> the truth." That is what I will try to do today — to speak the truth as >> best I can, humbled by the task before us, and firm in my belief that the >> interests we share as human beings are far more powerful than the forces >> that drive us apart. >> >> Obama: Indeed, none of us should tolerate these extremists. They have >> killed in many countries. They have killed people of different faiths — but >> more than any other, they have killed Muslims. Their actions are >> irreconcilable with the rights of human beings, the progress of nations, >> and with Islam. The Holy Koran teaches that whoever kills an innocent is as >> — it is as if he has killed all mankind. And the Holy Koran also says >> whoever saves a person, it is as if he has saved all mankind. >> >> Obama: We have the power to make the world we seek, but only if we have >> the courage to make a new beginning, keeping in mind what has been written. >> >> The holy Quran tells us, "O mankind! We have created you male and a >> female; and we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know >> one another." >> >> The Talmud tells us: "The whole of the Torah is for the purpose of >> promoting peace." >> >> The holy Bible tells us, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be >> called sons of God." >> >> "Obama Praises and Glorifies Islam" >> >> This section begins with a passage that is accurate enough, but does not >> make clear that Obama was addressing leaders of a predominately Muslim >> ally, Turkey. It is from his April 6 address to the Turkish Parliament. >> >> Obama: We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which >> has done so much over the centuries to shape the world. >> >> That is followed by excerpts from a March 19 video address >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/nowruz/> the White House released on the >> Internet, in which Obama praised the "culture" of Iran and called it a >> "great civilization." What’s edited out is that Obama was speaking on >> Nowruz, the traditional first day of the year on the Persian calendar. >> Nowruz originated <http://www.zoroastrian.org/articles/nowruz.htm> in >> the Zoroastrian religion and had beencelebrated >> <http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Celebrations/norooz.htm> for more than a >> century before Islam arrived in what is now Iran. Although Obama referred >> to the "Islamic Republic of Iran" — the present-day official name of the >> country — he was offering no praise or glorification of the Islamic >> religion, but rather praising the more ancient Persian culture of Iran. >> >> Edited quote: I would like to speak directly to the people and leaders >> of the Islamic Republic of Iran … your great and celebrated culture. Over >> many centuries your art, your music, literature and innovation have made >> the world a better and more beautiful place. … We know that you are a great >> civilization, and your accomplishments have earned the respect of the >> United States and the world. >> >> Full quote: Today I want to extend my very best wishes to all who are >> celebrating Nowruz around the world. This holiday is both an ancient ritual >> and a moment of renewal, and I hope that you enjoy this special time of >> year with friends and family. >> >> In particular, I would like to speak directly to the people and leaders >> of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Nowruz is just one part of your great and >> celebrated culture. Over many centuries your art, your music, literature >> and innovation have made the world a better and more beautiful place. Here >> in the United States our own communities have been enhanced by the >> contributions of Iranian Americans. We know that you are a great >> civilization, and your accomplishments have earned the respect of the >> United States and the world. >> >> "Obama Defends Islam" >> >> This whole section relies on excerpts of the Cairo speech >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-at-Cairo-University-6-04-09>. >> >> In none of them does Obama say he himself is a Muslim. This quote leaves >> out some context: >> >> Edited quote: For instance, in the United States, rules on charitable >> giving have made it harder for Muslims to fulfill their religious >> obligation. That’s why I’m committed to working with American Muslims to >> ensure that they can fulfill zakat. … It is important for Western >> countries to avoid impeding Muslim citizens from practicing religion as >> they see fit. >> >> Obama was defending freedom of religion — not Islam as such. At one point >> he said Western countries shouldn’t dictate what clothes a Muslim woman >> should wear, for example. The video continues: >> >> Edited quote: And I consider it part of my responsibility as president >> of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam >> wherever they appear. >> >> That’s fair enough. But Obama went on to attack Muslim stereotypes of the >> U.S. The video left that on the cutting room floor: >> >> Omitted quote: But that same principle must apply to Muslim perceptions >> of America. (Applause.) Just as Muslims do not fit a crude stereotype, >> America is not the crude stereotype of a self-interested empire. The United >> States has been one of the greatest sources of progress that the world has >> ever known. >> >> "Obama Declares America to be a Muslim Nation" >> >> Obama is never shown saying the U.S. is "a Muslim nation." Instead, we >> see a clip from a June 28, 2007, keynote address >> <http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=news.display_article&mode=C&NewsID=5454> >> at >> a "Call to Renewal" conference sponsored by the liberal Christian group >> Sojourners. >> >> Edited quote: We are no longer a Christian nation. >> >> Full Quote: Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation – >> at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a >> Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers. >> >> Obama was saying the U.S. is a nation of many faiths, but by dropping the >> word "just," the edited version changes the quote’s meaning. That is >> followed by more misleading editing of a clip from an April 6, 2009, press >> conference <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIVd7YT0oWA> in Turkey: >> >> Edited quote: We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation. >> >> Full quote: And I’ve said before that one of the great strengths of the >> United States is — although as I mentioned, we have a very large Christian >> population, we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish >> nation or a Muslim nation; we consider ourselves a nation of citizens who >> are bound by ideals and a set of values. >> >> The video then shows three excerpts from the Cairo address and one from >> the Turkish Parliament speech in which he described the impact Muslims and >> Islam have made on the U.S. >> >> Obama (in Turkey): The United States has been enriched by Muslim >> Americans. >> >> Obama (In Cairo): Since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the >> United States. … Islam has always been a part of America’s story. … There >> is a mosque in every state in our union, and over 1,200 mosques within our >> borders. >> >> All that is accurate enough, but all it amounts to is paying respect to >> the religion of others. Obama wasn’t embracing Islam as his own faith. >> >> The video then shows a clip from an interview Obama gave >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/transcript-of-the-interview-of-the-president-by-laura-haim-canal-plus-6-1-09/> >> June >> 1, 2009, with a French TV station: >> >> Obama: One of the points I want to make is, if you actually took the >> number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in >> the world. >> >> Here, it is the president who is wrong — as we reported >> <http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/obama-us-one-of-the-largest-muslim-countries-not/> >> a >> couple of days after the interview. The U.S. does have perhaps 2 million >> Muslims who attend mosques, and the total Muslim population of the U.S. has >> been estimated at 6 million or 7 million. But that’s tiny compared with >> countries such as Indonesia or Pakistan. We concluded that the U.S. >> probably doesn’t even rank among the top 50 in terms of its Muslim >> population. >> >> The section then ends by repeating the quote from Cairo where Obama said, >> "Let there be no doubt, Islam is a part of America." >> >> The next section has no Obama quotes. It features Fox News pundits >> criticizing the president for a brief "bow" to Saudi King Abdullah bin >> Abdul Aziz Al-Saud during a visit in London April 1, 2009. The following >> section shows an old photo of Obama wearing African garb, which the video >> describes as "Traditional Muslim Dress," during a visit to family members >> in Kenya as a young man. (The photo is being held up by his half-brother >> Malik Obama >> <http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=malik%20obama%20karel%20prinsloo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi> >> .) >> >> "Obama Visits A Mosque" >> >> In a section called "Obama Visits A Mosque" he is pictured touring the >> famed Hagia Sophia in Istanbul, Turkey. The structure actually isn’t a >> mosque any more: It was converted to a museum in 1935 >> <http://www.hagiasophia.com/listingview.php?listingID=8>. This favorite >> tourist destination >> <http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=39645> was originally >> built as a Christian church by a Byzantine emperor, then converted to a >> mosque after Istanbul fell to the Ottoman Turks in 1453. >> >> Another section is called "Obama Sides With Islam," but it’s just TV >> reports from 2008 of Obama’s brief refusal to wear an American flag pin in >> his lapel. How that equates to siding with Islam is not explained, but in >> any case Obama reversed that decision early in his presidential campaign >> and routinely wore a flag pin through the remainder of his campaign. >> >> That section concludes with another edited quote, this one from Obama’s June >> 4 speech in Cairo >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-at-Cairo-University-6-04-09> >> : >> >> Edited Quote: [L]et me speak as clearly and as plainly as I can. … >> America is not — and never will be — at war with Islam. >> >> Full Quote: [L]et me speak as clearly and as plainly as I can about some >> specific issues that I believe we must finally confront together. The first >> issue that we have to confront is violent extremism in all of its forms. In >> Ankara, I made clear that America is not — and never will be — at war with >> Islam. (Applause.) We will, however, relentlessly confront violent >> extremists who pose a grave threat to our security — because we reject the >> same thing that people of all faiths reject: the killing of innocent men, >> women, and children. And it is my first duty as president to protect the >> American people. >> >> What the video’s creator cuts out is Obama’s denouncing "violent >> extremists" before his mostly Muslim audience. >> >> "One of them?" >> >> The video concludes with footage of a hijacked jetliner striking the >> World Trade Center’s South Tower on Sept. 11, 2001, followed by a graphic >> with the words "I am one of them" attributed to "Barack Hussein Obama." But >> as we noted at the outset, when the president said "I am one of them" to >> the Turkish Parliament in April, he was referring to Americans with Muslim >> relatives, not to terrorists. >> >> At the very end, Obama is shown saying "Thank You, and Eid-eh Shoma >> Mobarak." Although that may have sounded to the video’s creator like some >> sinister utterance in Arabic, Obama was actually speaking Farsi. And he was >> saying "Happy New Year to you" >> <http://www.farsinet.com/noruz/hajifiruz3.html> at the end of his taped TV >> remarks to the Iranian people >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/VIDEOTAPED-REMARKS-BY-THE-PRESIDENT-IN-CELEBRATION-OF-NOWRUZ/> >> on >> Nowruz. >> >> *— by Justin Bank and Brooks Jackson* >> Sources >> >> White House. "Remarks By President Obama To The Turkish Parliament >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-By-President-Obama-To-The-Turkish-Parliament/>." >> >> 6 Apr 2009. >> >> White House. "Remarks By the President at Cairo University. >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-cairo-university-6-04-09>" >> >> 4 Jun 2009. >> >> Bellatoni, Christina. "Obama’s verbal slip fuels his critics >> <http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/07/obama-verbal-slip-fuels-his-critics/> >> ." *Washington Times*. 7 Set 2008. >> >> Kristof, Nicholas, "Obama: Man of the World. >> <http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=4>" *New >> York Times*. 6 Mar 2007. >> >> Djang, Jason, "A New Year, A New Beginning >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/nowruz/>," *The White House Blog*. 19 Mar >> 2009. >> >> Jafarey, Ali A, "NowRuz – The Zarathustrian New Year >> <http://www.zoroastrian.org/articles/nowruz.htm>," www.zoroastrian.org. >> Accessed 4 Dec 2009. >> >> Obama, Barack, "Keynote Address – A Call to Renewal >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35sGJrWKcmY&feature=related>." 28 Jun >> 2007. >> >> White House, "Press Conference >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIVd7YT0oWA>," 6 Apr 2009. >> >> White House, "Interview of the President by Laura Haim, Canal Plus >> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/transcript-of-the-interview-of-the-president-by-laura-haim-canal-plus-6-1-09/>." >> >> Jun 1 2009. >> "Obama visits mosque, Hagia Sophia >> <http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=39645>," *World >> Bulletin*. 7 Apr 2009. >> >> On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 6:53:55 AM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *[image: Cnn0-U8WAAAe2sr]* >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> [image: Avast logo] <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> >>> >>> >>> >>> __._,_.___ >>> ------------------------------ >>> Posted by: "Beowulf" <[email protected]> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> Visit Your Group >>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcTZwMTgyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0Njg4Nzc3MjQ-> >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: Yahoo! 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