Maybe it's time to leave the region and let god or allah decide the fate of them ... I am 100% against more America lives lost in a clan war that the west has fanned the flames of since the first World War!!!
On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > It's just a matter of time before the majority of thinking Americans > realize that Islam is incompatible with Western societies; *e.g*.; > American society. Your premise is flawed Plain Ol'.....It's already > happening in Germany, France and Great Britain. > > > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 4:25 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> It’s Not Just A Clash Of Civilizations, It’s Also A War Of Religions >> --- >> it's an old and silly abrahamic war that's fucked up the middle east and >> europe. >> their war ... their problem. >> Most Americans will not side with any of their klans. >> >> On Tuesday, August 2, 2016 at 2:18:37 PM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.rightsidenews.com/editorial/rsn-pick-of-the-day/not-just-clash-civilizations-also-war-religions/ >>> >>> >>> It’s Not Just A Clash Of Civilizations, It’s Also A War Of Religions >>> >>> Posted on: *August 2, 2016* >>> >>> >>> >>> Col. Tom Snodgrass (Ret.), *Right Side News* >>> >>> >>> History And Reality >>> >>> >>> >>> When the Islamic enemy first launched its jihads to install the Islamic >>> religion and culture to be dominant throughout the world, they were and now >>> are continuing to follow the commands of Mohammad (the religion’s creator), >>> the Quran (allegedly the verbatim words of the god Allah), and the Islamic >>> Sharia law (derived from the Quran and various accounts of Mohammad’s life). >>> >>> *Mohammad:* *“I have been commanded to fight people until they testify >>> that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah”* >>> >>> *Quran: **“And when the sacred months *[four periods during the year >>> when tribal warfare was forbidden by mutual tribal agreement on the Arabian >>> peninsula in Muhammad’s time]* have passed, then kill the >>> unbelievers wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and >>> sit in wait for them at every place of ambush.” *[*9:5* >>> <http://quran.com/9>] >>> >>> *Quran:* *“Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day >>> *[Islamic >>> final eschatological victory]* and who do not consider unlawful what >>> Allah and His Messenger *[Muhammad]* have made unlawful *[that is, do >>> not practice Islamic Sharia jurisprudence]* and who do not adopt the >>> religion of truth *[Islam] *from those *[Jews and Christians]* who were >>> given the Scripture *[the Jewish and Christian Old & New Testaments]* – >>> fight until they give the jizya *[Muslim extortion-submission tax on >>> non-Muslims]* willingly while they are humbled.”* [*9:29* >>> <http://quran.com/9>] >>> >>> >>> >>> *Sharia:* “*Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is >>> etymologically derived from the word ‘mujahada’ signifying warfare to >>> establish the religion.” * >>> >>> >>> >>> Of course, these unmistakable and incontrovertible imperialist mandates >>> from three separate Islamic scriptural sources applying to all Muslims are >>> but a smidgen of the hundreds of commandments in Islamic scripture, that >>> is, the Quran (“sacred” book), Haditha (reports describing the words, >>> actions, or habits of Muhammad), Sira (biographies of Mohammad), and Sharia >>> (law) that dictate warfare to establish the Islamic religion as supreme >>> over all other religions and beliefs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Naturally, the imperialistic mandates of Islam brought Muslims into >>> constant conflict with the societies they sought to conquer, among them >>> Christian Europe. Contrary to today’s Christian leadership that is >>> frightened to identify Islam as the aggressive, politico-imperialistic >>> doctrine which Mohammad created under the guise of being a religion, the >>> early Christian leaders were clear-eyed and imbued with the courage of >>> their religion’s namesake, Jesus Christ. >>> >>> >>> >>> For instance, St. Thomas Aquinas >>> <http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/> >>> wrote of Mohammad and his false religion: >>> >>> >>> >>> *“On the other hand, those who founded sects committed to erroneous >>> doctrines proceeded in a way that is opposite to this *[Christianity]*, >>> the point is clear in the case of Muhammad. He seduced the people by >>> promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh goads >>> us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his >>> promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not >>> unexpected, he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his >>> doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural >>> ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he >>> taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest >>> falsity. He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, >>> which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible >>> action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of >>> truth. On the contrary, Muhammad said that he was sent in the power of his >>> arms—which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants.”* >>> >>> >>> >>> And Aquinas was not the only saint that possessed the wisdom and >>> fortitude of Christ to call out religious fraud as opposed to the present >>> day cowardice of the church’s pusillanimous ecclesiastics. Here are what >>> other saints recorded about the Islamic false prophet, Mohammad, and his >>> religion. >>> >>> >>> >>> St. John Damascene >>> <http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/>*: >>> “There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites which to this day >>> prevails and keeps people in error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist…. >>> From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared >>> in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New >>> Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, >>> devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good >>> graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain >>> book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous >>> compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of >>> veneration.”* >>> >>> >>> >>> St. Juan de Ribera >>> <http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/>: *“As >>> we have seen, Muhammad had neither supernatural miracles nor natural >>> motives of reason to persuade those of his sect. As he lacked in >>> everything, he took to bestial and barbaric means, which is the force of >>> arms. Thus he introduced and promulgated his message with robberies, >>> murders, and blood shedding, destroying those who did not want to receive >>> it, and with the same means his ministers conserve this today, until God >>> placates his anger and destroys this pestilence from the earth.* >>> >>> *“Even if all the things contained in his law were fables in philosophy >>> and errors in theology, even for those who do not possess the light of >>> reason, the very manners (Islam) teaches are from a school of vicious >>> bestialities. Muhammad did not prove his new sect with any motive, having >>> neither supernatural miracles nor natural reasons, but solely the force of >>> arms, violence, fictions, lies, and carnal license. It remains an impious, >>> blasphemous, vicious cult, an innovation of the devil, and the direct way >>> into the fires of hell. It does not even merit the name of being called a >>> religion.* >>> >>> >>> >>> St. Peter Mavimenus >>> <http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/>: >>> *“Whoever >>> does not embrace the Catholic Christian faith is lost, like your false >>> prophet Muhammad.”* >>> >>> >>> >>> St. Alfonsus Liguori >>> <http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/>*: >>> “The Mahometan paradise, however, is only fit for beasts; for filthy >>> sensual pleasure is all the believer has to expect there.”* >>> >>> >>> >>> Sts. Habenitus, Jeremiah, Peter, Sabinian, Walabonsus, and Wistremundus >>> <http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/>: *“We >>> profess Christ to be truly God and your prophet to be a precursor of the >>> Antichrist and other profane doctrine.”* >>> >>> >>> >>> Sts. Aurelius, Felix, George, Liliosa, and Natalia: *“Any cult which >>> denies the divinity of Christ, does not profess the existence of the Holy >>> Trinity, refutes baptism, defames Christians, and derogates the priesthood, >>> we consider to be damned.”* >>> <http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/> >>> >>> <http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/> >>> >>> It’s as if these Christian saints don’t even belong to the same >>> Christian church today that treats Islam as coequal to Christianity as an >>> Abrahamic faith. >>> >>> >>> The Christian Church’s Current Leaders’ Denial Is Not Protecting >>> Christians From The Reality Of Islamic Jihad >>> >>> >>> >>> Today, Islam is slaughtering Christians all over the world from >>> Southeast Asia to Southwest Asia to Russia to the Middle East to Africa to >>> Europe and beyond. The most recent case of Muslims murdering a Christian in >>> the name of Allah and his scriptural genocidal mandates occurred in >>> Normandy, France >>> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3708394/Two-men-armed-knives-people-hostage-French-church.html> >>> when two ”soldiers of Allah,” that had sworn allegiance to the Islamic >>> State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), slit the throat of an 84-year-old Catholic >>> priest in the middle of a morning Mass. They were shot dead while screaming >>> “Allahu Akbar” as they emerged from the church. Initially Pope Francis >>> refused to even acknowledge Islamic jihad’s role in this clearly >>> religiously motivated murder of the priest, instead he characterized it as >>> “an >>> absurd murder >>> <https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8561/france-chuch-martyrdom-pope>.” Not >>> one of the Vatican clergy would even say the word “Islam.” However, >>> later on reflection he had these astoundingly foolish things to say >>> <http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/01/pope-francis-speak-islamic-violence-must-speak-catholic-violence/> >>> : >>> >>> >>> >>> “If I speak of Islamic violence, I must speak of Catholic violence. And >>> no, not all Muslims are violent, not all Catholics are violent. It is like >>> a fruit salad; there’s everything. >>> >>> >>> >>> “I had a long conversation with the imam, the Grand Imam of the Al-Azhar >>> University, and I know how they think. They seek peace, encounter. >>> >>> >>> >>> “I do not believe it is right to identify Islam with violence. This is >>> not right or true. >>> >>> >>> >>> “Terrorism grows when there are no other options, and when the center of >>> the global economy is the god of money and not the person,” Francis said. >>> “You have cast out the wonder of creation — man and woman — and you have >>> put money in its place. This is a basic terrorism against all of humanity! >>> Think about it!” >>> >>> >>> >>> For anyone interested in reading innumerable additional anecdotal >>> examples of other Islamic atrocities against Christians around the world >>> that contradict the Pope, see Raymond Ibrahim’s “Muslim Persecution of >>> Christians >>> <http://raymondibrahim.mgtestsite.com/category/muslim-persecution-of-christians/> >>> .” >>> >>> >>> >>> It is impossible to know the exact number of Christians martyred by >>> Islam since the first jihad against Byzantine Christians in Syria in 634 >>> A.D., let alone in the entire world just since September 11, 2001, but a >>> rough estimate from the Vatican >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians> for recent >>> times puts the number of Christians martyred at around 100,000 a year, the >>> vast majority of which are victims of Islam. And the magnitude of the >>> Christian genocide grows because the Islamic jihad goes unchecked by any >>> serious effort on the part of the national powers of Western Civilization >>> or Christian churches. Apparently the Pope doesn’t read what the Vatican >>> statisticians publish. >>> >>> >>> >>> Furthermore, the ostensible leader of Western Christianity, Pope >>> Francis, is so encumbered by foolishness that earlier he published his >>> “APOSTOLIC EXHORTATION *EVANGELII GAUDIUM* >>> <http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium.html#Ecumenical_dialogue> >>> OF THE HOLY FATHER *FRANCIS* TO THE BISHOPS, CLERGY, CONSECRATED >>> PERSONS AND THE LAY FAITHFUL ON THE PROCLAMATION OF THE GOSPEL IN TODAY’S >>> WORLD” containing these baseless, counterfactual assertions: >>> >>> >>> >>> *“Our relationship with the followers of Islam has taken on great >>> importance, since they are now significantly present in many traditionally >>> Christian countries, where they can freely worship and become fully a part >>> of society. We must never forget that they ‘profess to hold the faith of >>> Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, who will >>> judge humanity on the last day’.* >>> >>> >>> >>> *“Faced with disconcerting episodes of violent fundamentalism, our >>> respect for true followers of Islam should lead us to avoid hateful >>> generalizations, for authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran >>> are opposed to every form of violence.”* >>> >>> >>> >>> Regarding the first assertion that Islam is a faith in the Abrahamic >>> tradition, please see my “Islam Is Not An Abrahamic Religion >>> <http://www.rightsidenews.com/editorial/rsn-pick-of-the-day/islam-not-abrahamic-religion/>. >>> One example from that article is Christ said: “Love your enemies >>> <https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5%3A43-45> and >>> pray for those who persecute you,” while Allah said: “Fight in the way >>> of Allah <http://quran.com/2/190-194> those who fight you . . . And >>> kill them wherever you overtake them.” One need not be a religious >>> theologian or a pope to comprehend that ‘a god’ cannot possibly be the same >>> ‘deity’ when that ‘divine source’ issues completely contradictory >>> instructions to followers on how to behave in exactly the same >>> circumstances. One only needs the courage to acknowledge what common sense >>> indicates. >>> >>> >>> >>> The Muslims’ devious purpose in claiming a shared Abrahamic religious >>> heritage with Judaism and Christianity is to lull them into dropping their >>> guard as Islam is constantly attempting to undermine these religions >>> through stealth jihad. The Islamic objective is to get the principles of >>> Sharia law accepted piece by piece within these two religious cultures. >>> Pope Francis’ acceptance of this Islamic psychological warfare ploy of >>> ‘Abrahamic fiction’ is a terrifying example of just how far Islamic stealth >>> jihad has made inroads in morally disarming Western Civilization.” >>> >>> >>> >>> Of course, complete refutation of the Pope’s reality-denying assertion >>> that “authentic Islam” is* “opposed to every form of violence*” is >>> undeniable in the above opening quotes from Mohammad, the Quran, and Sharia >>> mandating religious war against all non-Islamic religions. >>> >>> >>> >>> The Pope is just totally wrong about the Abrahamic origin of Islam and >>> its peaceful character as is proven by Christian and Islamic scripture. >>> Furthermore, the writings of the early Christian church fathers, that is, >>> Saints Thomas Aquinas, John Damascene, Juan de Ribera, Peter Mavimenus, >>> Alfonsus Liguori, Habenitus, Jeremiah, Peter, Sabinian, Walabonsus, >>> Wistremundus, Aurelius, Felix, George, Liliosa, and Natalia rebuke the Pope >>> unequivocally. >>> >>> >>> >>> Such a tremendous discrepancy between Christian leaders of the Middle >>> Ages and today begs the question: What do contemporary Christian leaders >>> think they know that the early Church saints, many of whom were martyred by >>> Islamic jihadists for their courageous rejection of Islam, didn’t know? >>> >>> >>> Common Sense Analysis >>> >>> >>> >>> First, why would the Pope and the leadership of other Christian >>> denominations <http://nationalcouncilofchurches.us/member-communions/> >>> like Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Methodist, Baptist, Greek Orthodox, Syrian >>> Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox, United Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ, >>> Religious Society of Friends, etc., slavishly take their “ >>> stand-by-my-Islam” <http://www.ncccusa.org/interfaith/ifr.html> >>> position? One possible reason is that they see their first priority as a >>> battle >>> against secularism >>> <http://www.crisismagazine.com/2014/truth-consequences-next-scandal>, >>> and they regard Islam’s one billion-plus worldwide umma as a great asset in >>> this conflict with unbelief. However, as Islam increasingly carries out the >>> murder and mayhem inherent to jihad on a global scale, this alleged >>> ‘Abrahamic sameness’ will give secularist opponents of Christianity >>> ammunition to discredit Christianity as being no different from violent >>> Islam. Once Christianity is convincingly tarred with the same violent brush >>> as Islam, it will lend seeming validity to the atheists’ timeless charge >>> that all religions lead to eventual war and destruction. The result will be >>> that Christianity and its clergy will be seriously discredited. >>> >>> >>> >>> Second, there is another and perhaps even greater liability to seeking >>> such a close, uncritical, interreligious relationship and identity with >>> Islam, and that is the appearance and perception of the Christian church’s >>> deliberate cover-up of Islam’s murderous doctrine of religious and cultural >>> conquest. As the Christian leadership continues to falsely maintain that >>> “terror has nothing to do with Islam,” Christians cannot but help to notice >>> and understand that what their Christian clergy is telling them is not >>> consistent with their daily reality. >>> >>> >>> >>> And just as the Catholic scandal of covering-up the priesthood’s sexual >>> abuse of children irreparably damaged the Catholic Church, so a >>> Christianity-wide scandal of purposely misleading followers on an issue >>> critical to theirs and their family’s actual physical security could >>> eventually cause Christians to reject their leaders because of their >>> blighted credibility, which the leaders themselves are currently damaging. >>> Whether the Christian authorities delude their followers due to >>> self-imposed ignorance of the truth of Islamic scriptural jihad mandates, >>> political correctness, moral cowardice, or all three, the Christian church >>> will be held as an accomplice to abetting Islamic jihadist murder and chaos >>> through their disseminating misinformation that impedes countering jihad. >>> Consider the absurdity of the prevailing situation wherein most Christian >>> clergy are telling followers that “Islam is peaceful, non-violent, and not >>> involved in terrorism,” while Muslim terrorists are screaming “Allahu >>> Akbar!” as they are murdering Christians! >>> >>> >>> Conclusion >>> >>> >>> >>> Finally, It is difficult to hold the Pope and the other contemporary >>> Christian leadership in anything but contempt as they servilely offer >>> excuses, apologies, and untruths to their congregants concerning Islamic >>> jihad, especially considering St. Thomas Aquinas’ scathing appraisal of the >>> deficiency in intellect of those who do not or cannot see and denounce the >>> entirely mendacious nature of Islam. Aquinas pronounces them fools. >>> >>> >>> >>> St. Thomas Aquinas >>> <http://www.opusdeialert.com/st-thomas-aquinas-against-mohammed.htm>: “*What >>> is more, no wise men, men trained in things divine and human, believed in >>> him from the beginning.. Those who believed in him were brutal men and >>> desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose >>> numbers Mohammed forced others to become his followers by the violence of >>> his arms. Nor do divine pronouncements on the part of preceding prophets >>> offer him any witness. On the contrary, he perverts almost all the >>> testimony of the Old and the New Testaments by making them into a >>> fabrication of his own, as can be seen by anyone who examines his law. It >>> was, therefore, a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to >>> read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity. >>> It is thus clear that those who place faith in his words believe >>> foolishly.”* >>> >>> >>> >>> But the most damning contradiction of Christian leaders shilling for >>> Islam was issued by the founder of the religion they profess to lead. >>> >>> >>> >>> “Beware of false prophets >>> <https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A15-20&version=NKJV>, >>> who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. >>> >>> >>> >>> And the more than a millennium of assaults launched against Christianity >>> by the heresy concocted by the wolf in sheep’s clothing and false prophet >>> Mohammad, as prophesied by Christ, was addressed directly by St. Thomas >>> Aquinas. 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