I agree with that On Aug 2, 2016 6:29 PM, "Brian Bednarek" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Maybe it's time to leave the region and let god or allah decide the fate > of them ... I am 100% against more America lives lost in a clan war that > the west has fanned the flames of since the first World War!!! > > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> It's just a matter of time before the majority of thinking Americans >> realize that Islam is incompatible with Western societies; *e.g*.; >> American society. Your premise is flawed Plain Ol'.....It's already >> happening in Germany, France and Great Britain. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 4:25 PM, plainolamerican < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It’s Not Just A Clash Of Civilizations, It’s Also A War Of Religions >>> --- >>> it's an old and silly abrahamic war that's fucked up the middle east and >>> europe. >>> their war ... their problem. >>> Most Americans will not side with any of their klans. >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 2, 2016 at 2:18:37 PM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.rightsidenews.com/editorial/rsn-pick-of-the-day/not-just-clash-civilizations-also-war-religions/ >>>> >>>> >>>> It’s Not Just A Clash Of Civilizations, It’s Also A War Of Religions >>>> >>>> Posted on: *August 2, 2016* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Col. Tom Snodgrass (Ret.), *Right Side News* >>>> >>>> >>>> History And Reality >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When the Islamic enemy first launched its jihads to install the Islamic >>>> religion and culture to be dominant throughout the world, they were and now >>>> are continuing to follow the commands of Mohammad (the religion’s creator), >>>> the Quran (allegedly the verbatim words of the god Allah), and the Islamic >>>> Sharia law (derived from the Quran and various accounts of Mohammad’s >>>> life). >>>> >>>> *Mohammad:* *“I have been commanded to fight people until they testify >>>> that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of >>>> Allah”* >>>> >>>> *Quran: **“And when the sacred months *[four periods during the year >>>> when tribal warfare was forbidden by mutual tribal agreement on the Arabian >>>> peninsula in Muhammad’s time]* have passed, then kill the >>>> unbelievers wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and >>>> sit in wait for them at every place of ambush.” *[*9:5* >>>> <http://quran.com/9>] >>>> >>>> *Quran:* *“Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day >>>> *[Islamic >>>> final eschatological victory]* and who do not consider unlawful what >>>> Allah and His Messenger *[Muhammad]* have made unlawful *[that is, do >>>> not practice Islamic Sharia jurisprudence]* and who do not adopt the >>>> religion of truth *[Islam] *from those *[Jews and Christians]* who >>>> were given the Scripture *[the Jewish and Christian Old & New >>>> Testaments]* – fight until they give the jizya *[Muslim >>>> extortion-submission tax on non-Muslims]* willingly while they are >>>> humbled.”* [*9:29* <http://quran.com/9>] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Sharia:* “*Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is >>>> etymologically derived from the word ‘mujahada’ signifying warfare to >>>> establish the religion.” * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Of course, these unmistakable and incontrovertible imperialist mandates >>>> from three separate Islamic scriptural sources applying to all Muslims are >>>> but a smidgen of the hundreds of commandments in Islamic scripture, that >>>> is, the Quran (“sacred” book), Haditha (reports describing the words, >>>> actions, or habits of Muhammad), Sira (biographies of Mohammad), and Sharia >>>> (law) that dictate warfare to establish the Islamic religion as supreme >>>> over all other religions and beliefs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Naturally, the imperialistic mandates of Islam brought Muslims into >>>> constant conflict with the societies they sought to conquer, among them >>>> Christian Europe. Contrary to today’s Christian leadership that is >>>> frightened to identify Islam as the aggressive, politico-imperialistic >>>> doctrine which Mohammad created under the guise of being a religion, the >>>> early Christian leaders were clear-eyed and imbued with the courage of >>>> their religion’s namesake, Jesus Christ. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For instance, St. Thomas Aquinas >>>> <http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/> >>>> wrote of Mohammad and his false religion: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *“On the other hand, those who founded sects committed to erroneous >>>> doctrines proceeded in a way that is opposite to this *[Christianity]*, >>>> the point is clear in the case of Muhammad. He seduced the people by >>>> promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh goads >>>> us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his >>>> promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not >>>> unexpected, he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his >>>> doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural >>>> ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he >>>> taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest >>>> falsity. He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, >>>> which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible >>>> action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of >>>> truth. On the contrary, Muhammad said that he was sent in the power of his >>>> arms—which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants.”* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And Aquinas was not the only saint that possessed the wisdom and >>>> fortitude of Christ to call out religious fraud as opposed to the present >>>> day cowardice of the church’s pusillanimous ecclesiastics. Here are what >>>> other saints recorded about the Islamic false prophet, Mohammad, and his >>>> religion. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> St. John Damascene >>>> <http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/>*: >>>> “There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites which to this day >>>> prevails and keeps people in error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist…. >>>> From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared >>>> in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New >>>> Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, >>>> devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good >>>> graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain >>>> book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous >>>> compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of >>>> veneration.”* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> St. Juan de Ribera >>>> <http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/>: *“As >>>> we have seen, Muhammad had neither supernatural miracles nor natural >>>> motives of reason to persuade those of his sect. As he lacked in >>>> everything, he took to bestial and barbaric means, which is the force of >>>> arms. Thus he introduced and promulgated his message with robberies, >>>> murders, and blood shedding, destroying those who did not want to receive >>>> it, and with the same means his ministers conserve this today, until God >>>> placates his anger and destroys this pestilence from the earth.* >>>> >>>> *“Even if all the things contained in his law were fables in philosophy >>>> and errors in theology, even for those who do not possess the light of >>>> reason, the very manners (Islam) teaches are from a school of vicious >>>> bestialities. Muhammad did not prove his new sect with any motive, having >>>> neither supernatural miracles nor natural reasons, but solely the force of >>>> arms, violence, fictions, lies, and carnal license. It remains an impious, >>>> blasphemous, vicious cult, an innovation of the devil, and the direct way >>>> into the fires of hell. It does not even merit the name of being called a >>>> religion.* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> St. Peter Mavimenus >>>> <http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/>: >>>> *“Whoever >>>> does not embrace the Catholic Christian faith is lost, like your false >>>> prophet Muhammad.”* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> St. Alfonsus Liguori >>>> <http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/>*: >>>> “The Mahometan paradise, however, is only fit for beasts; for filthy >>>> sensual pleasure is all the believer has to expect there.”* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sts. Habenitus, Jeremiah, Peter, Sabinian, Walabonsus, and Wistremundus >>>> <http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/>: *“We >>>> profess Christ to be truly God and your prophet to be a precursor of the >>>> Antichrist and other profane doctrine.”* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sts. Aurelius, Felix, George, Liliosa, and Natalia: *“Any cult which >>>> denies the divinity of Christ, does not profess the existence of the Holy >>>> Trinity, refutes baptism, defames Christians, and derogates the priesthood, >>>> we consider to be damned.”* >>>> <http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/> >>>> >>>> <http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/> >>>> >>>> It’s as if these Christian saints don’t even belong to the same >>>> Christian church today that treats Islam as coequal to Christianity as an >>>> Abrahamic faith. >>>> >>>> >>>> The Christian Church’s Current Leaders’ Denial Is Not Protecting >>>> Christians From The Reality Of Islamic Jihad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Today, Islam is slaughtering Christians all over the world from >>>> Southeast Asia to Southwest Asia to Russia to the Middle East to Africa to >>>> Europe and beyond. The most recent case of Muslims murdering a Christian in >>>> the name of Allah and his scriptural genocidal mandates occurred in >>>> Normandy, France >>>> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3708394/Two-men-armed-knives-people-hostage-French-church.html> >>>> when two ”soldiers of Allah,” that had sworn allegiance to the Islamic >>>> State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), slit the throat of an 84-year-old Catholic >>>> priest in the middle of a morning Mass. They were shot dead while screaming >>>> “Allahu Akbar” as they emerged from the church. Initially Pope Francis >>>> refused to even acknowledge Islamic jihad’s role in this clearly >>>> religiously motivated murder of the priest, instead he characterized it as >>>> “an >>>> absurd murder >>>> <https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8561/france-chuch-martyrdom-pope>.” >>>> Not one of the Vatican clergy would even say the word “Islam.” >>>> However, later on reflection he had these astoundingly foolish things >>>> to say >>>> <http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/01/pope-francis-speak-islamic-violence-must-speak-catholic-violence/> >>>> : >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “If I speak of Islamic violence, I must speak of Catholic violence. And >>>> no, not all Muslims are violent, not all Catholics are violent. It is like >>>> a fruit salad; there’s everything. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “I had a long conversation with the imam, the Grand Imam of the >>>> Al-Azhar University, and I know how they think. They seek peace, encounter. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “I do not believe it is right to identify Islam with violence. This is >>>> not right or true. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “Terrorism grows when there are no other options, and when the center >>>> of the global economy is the god of money and not the person,” Francis >>>> said. “You have cast out the wonder of creation — man and woman — and you >>>> have put money in its place. This is a basic terrorism against all of >>>> humanity! Think about it!” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For anyone interested in reading innumerable additional anecdotal >>>> examples of other Islamic atrocities against Christians around the world >>>> that contradict the Pope, see Raymond Ibrahim’s “Muslim Persecution of >>>> Christians >>>> <http://raymondibrahim.mgtestsite.com/category/muslim-persecution-of-christians/> >>>> .” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It is impossible to know the exact number of Christians martyred by >>>> Islam since the first jihad against Byzantine Christians in Syria in 634 >>>> A.D., let alone in the entire world just since September 11, 2001, but a >>>> rough estimate from the Vatican >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians> for recent >>>> times puts the number of Christians martyred at around 100,000 a year, the >>>> vast majority of which are victims of Islam. And the magnitude of the >>>> Christian genocide grows because the Islamic jihad goes unchecked by any >>>> serious effort on the part of the national powers of Western Civilization >>>> or Christian churches. Apparently the Pope doesn’t read what the Vatican >>>> statisticians publish. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Furthermore, the ostensible leader of Western Christianity, Pope >>>> Francis, is so encumbered by foolishness that earlier he published his >>>> “APOSTOLIC EXHORTATION *EVANGELII GAUDIUM* >>>> <http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium.html#Ecumenical_dialogue> >>>> OF THE HOLY FATHER *FRANCIS* TO THE BISHOPS, CLERGY, CONSECRATED >>>> PERSONS AND THE LAY FAITHFUL ON THE PROCLAMATION OF THE GOSPEL IN TODAY’S >>>> WORLD” containing these baseless, counterfactual assertions: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *“Our relationship with the followers of Islam has taken on great >>>> importance, since they are now significantly present in many traditionally >>>> Christian countries, where they can freely worship and become fully a part >>>> of society. We must never forget that they ‘profess to hold the faith of >>>> Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, who will >>>> judge humanity on the last day’.* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *“Faced with disconcerting episodes of violent fundamentalism, our >>>> respect for true followers of Islam should lead us to avoid hateful >>>> generalizations, for authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran >>>> are opposed to every form of violence.”* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regarding the first assertion that Islam is a faith in the Abrahamic >>>> tradition, please see my “Islam Is Not An Abrahamic Religion >>>> <http://www.rightsidenews.com/editorial/rsn-pick-of-the-day/islam-not-abrahamic-religion/>. >>>> One example from that article is Christ said: “Love your enemies >>>> <https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5%3A43-45> and >>>> pray for those who persecute you,” while Allah said: “Fight in the way >>>> of Allah <http://quran.com/2/190-194> those who fight you . . . And >>>> kill them wherever you overtake them.” One need not be a religious >>>> theologian or a pope to comprehend that ‘a god’ cannot possibly be the same >>>> ‘deity’ when that ‘divine source’ issues completely contradictory >>>> instructions to followers on how to behave in exactly the same >>>> circumstances. One only needs the courage to acknowledge what common sense >>>> indicates. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Muslims’ devious purpose in claiming a shared Abrahamic religious >>>> heritage with Judaism and Christianity is to lull them into dropping their >>>> guard as Islam is constantly attempting to undermine these religions >>>> through stealth jihad. The Islamic objective is to get the principles of >>>> Sharia law accepted piece by piece within these two religious cultures. >>>> Pope Francis’ acceptance of this Islamic psychological warfare ploy of >>>> ‘Abrahamic fiction’ is a terrifying example of just how far Islamic stealth >>>> jihad has made inroads in morally disarming Western Civilization.” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Of course, complete refutation of the Pope’s reality-denying assertion >>>> that “authentic Islam” is* “opposed to every form of violence*” is >>>> undeniable in the above opening quotes from Mohammad, the Quran, and Sharia >>>> mandating religious war against all non-Islamic religions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Pope is just totally wrong about the Abrahamic origin of Islam and >>>> its peaceful character as is proven by Christian and Islamic scripture. >>>> Furthermore, the writings of the early Christian church fathers, that is, >>>> Saints Thomas Aquinas, John Damascene, Juan de Ribera, Peter Mavimenus, >>>> Alfonsus Liguori, Habenitus, Jeremiah, Peter, Sabinian, Walabonsus, >>>> Wistremundus, Aurelius, Felix, George, Liliosa, and Natalia rebuke the Pope >>>> unequivocally. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Such a tremendous discrepancy between Christian leaders of the Middle >>>> Ages and today begs the question: What do contemporary Christian leaders >>>> think they know that the early Church saints, many of whom were martyred by >>>> Islamic jihadists for their courageous rejection of Islam, didn’t know? >>>> >>>> >>>> Common Sense Analysis >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> First, why would the Pope and the leadership of other Christian >>>> denominations <http://nationalcouncilofchurches.us/member-communions/> >>>> like Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Methodist, Baptist, Greek Orthodox, Syrian >>>> Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox, United Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ, >>>> Religious Society of Friends, etc., slavishly take their “ >>>> stand-by-my-Islam” <http://www.ncccusa.org/interfaith/ifr.html> >>>> position? One possible reason is that they see their first priority as a >>>> battle >>>> against secularism >>>> <http://www.crisismagazine.com/2014/truth-consequences-next-scandal>, >>>> and they regard Islam’s one billion-plus worldwide umma as a great asset in >>>> this conflict with unbelief. However, as Islam increasingly carries out the >>>> murder and mayhem inherent to jihad on a global scale, this alleged >>>> ‘Abrahamic sameness’ will give secularist opponents of Christianity >>>> ammunition to discredit Christianity as being no different from violent >>>> Islam. Once Christianity is convincingly tarred with the same violent brush >>>> as Islam, it will lend seeming validity to the atheists’ timeless charge >>>> that all religions lead to eventual war and destruction. The result will be >>>> that Christianity and its clergy will be seriously discredited. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Second, there is another and perhaps even greater liability to seeking >>>> such a close, uncritical, interreligious relationship and identity with >>>> Islam, and that is the appearance and perception of the Christian church’s >>>> deliberate cover-up of Islam’s murderous doctrine of religious and cultural >>>> conquest. As the Christian leadership continues to falsely maintain that >>>> “terror has nothing to do with Islam,” Christians cannot but help to notice >>>> and understand that what their Christian clergy is telling them is not >>>> consistent with their daily reality. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And just as the Catholic scandal of covering-up the priesthood’s sexual >>>> abuse of children irreparably damaged the Catholic Church, so a >>>> Christianity-wide scandal of purposely misleading followers on an issue >>>> critical to theirs and their family’s actual physical security could >>>> eventually cause Christians to reject their leaders because of their >>>> blighted credibility, which the leaders themselves are currently damaging. >>>> Whether the Christian authorities delude their followers due to >>>> self-imposed ignorance of the truth of Islamic scriptural jihad mandates, >>>> political correctness, moral cowardice, or all three, the Christian church >>>> will be held as an accomplice to abetting Islamic jihadist murder and chaos >>>> through their disseminating misinformation that impedes countering jihad. >>>> Consider the absurdity of the prevailing situation wherein most Christian >>>> clergy are telling followers that “Islam is peaceful, non-violent, and not >>>> involved in terrorism,” while Muslim terrorists are screaming “Allahu >>>> Akbar!” as they are murdering Christians! >>>> >>>> >>>> Conclusion >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Finally, It is difficult to hold the Pope and the other contemporary >>>> Christian leadership in anything but contempt as they servilely offer >>>> excuses, apologies, and untruths to their congregants concerning Islamic >>>> jihad, especially considering St. Thomas Aquinas’ scathing appraisal of the >>>> deficiency in intellect of those who do not or cannot see and denounce the >>>> entirely mendacious nature of Islam. Aquinas pronounces them fools. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> St. Thomas Aquinas >>>> <http://www.opusdeialert.com/st-thomas-aquinas-against-mohammed.htm>: >>>> “*What >>>> is more, no wise men, men trained in things divine and human, believed in >>>> him from the beginning.. Those who believed in him were brutal men and >>>> desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose >>>> numbers Mohammed forced others to become his followers by the violence of >>>> his arms. Nor do divine pronouncements on the part of preceding prophets >>>> offer him any witness. On the contrary, he perverts almost all the >>>> testimony of the Old and the New Testaments by making them into a >>>> fabrication of his own, as can be seen by anyone who examines his law. It >>>> was, therefore, a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to >>>> read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity. >>>> It is thus clear that those who place faith in his words believe >>>> foolishly.”* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But the most damning contradiction of Christian leaders shilling for >>>> Islam was issued by the founder of the religion they profess to lead. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “Beware of false prophets >>>> <https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A15-20&version=NKJV>, >>>> who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And the more than a millennium of assaults launched against >>>> Christianity by the heresy concocted by the wolf in sheep’s clothing and >>>> false prophet Mohammad, as prophesied by Christ, was addressed directly by >>>> St. Thomas Aquinas. Aquinas maintained that forceful resistance of evil is >>>> a right and obligation of Christians. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *“**Legitimate defense* >>>> <http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/a-christian-duty-in-the-face-of-terror?f=must_reads>* >>>> can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for >>>> another’s life, the common good of the family or of the State.”* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> By Aquinas’ Christian standards, leaders of contemporary Christian >>>> churches are derelict in their responsibility to shield followers from the >>>> Christian heresy that is the false prophet Mohammad’s Islam, which is >>>> murdering Christians to perpetrate the heresy. It is the clear case where >>>> the Christian shepherds have a divinely mandated responsibility to protect >>>> their flocks from ravenous wolves. 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