Both have to stop, and at least with legal immigration, a hiatus for a
while; and maybe a review of who, and who not we're allowing into our
borders.



On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 5:05 PM, geoffrey theist <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Legal immigrants aren't the problem to extent that the illegals are but
> they are drawing attention to the legal immigrants. The percentage of sheer
> numbers of citizens being displaced by out sourcing and illegal immigrants
> far out weights legal immigration
>
> On Jan 29, 2017 3:57 PM, "plainolamerican" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> I think it's the deluge of immigrants, both legal and illegal, pouring
> into Western Nations.
> ---
>
> The *Immigration Act of 1990* (Pub.L. 101–649
> <http://legislink.org/us/pl-101-649>, 104 Stat.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Statutes_at_Large> 4978
> <http://legislink.org/us/stat-104-4978>, enacted November 29, 1990) was
> signed into law by George H. W. Bush
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush> on November 29, 1990.[1]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-1> It
> was first introduced by Senator Ted Kennedy
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy> in 1989. It was a national
> reform of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965>.
> It increased total, overall immigration to allow 700,000 immigrants to come
> to the U.S. per year for the fiscal years '92–'94, and 675,000 per year
> after that.[2]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Fordham_Journal_Highlights-2>
>  It
> provided family based immigration visa, created five distinct employment
> based visas, categorized by occupation, as well as the diversity visa
> program which created a lottery to admit immigrants from "low admittance"
> countries [3]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-US_immigration_legislation-3>
>  or
> countries where their citizenry was underrepresented in the U.S.
>
> Besides these immigrant visas there was also changes in nonimmigrant visas
> like the H-1B visa <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-1B_visa> for highly
> skilled workers. There were also cutbacks in the allotment of visas
> available for extended relatives.[4]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Immigration_Act_of_1990_Blue_title-4>
>  The Temporary protected status
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_protected_status> visa was also
> created where Congress established a procedure by which the Attorney
> General may provide TPS to immigrants in the United States who are
> temporarily unable to safely return to their home country because of
> ongoing armed conflict, an environmental disaster, or other extraordinary
> and temporary condition. It specifically benefited citizens of El Salvador
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Salvador>.[2]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Fordham_Journal_Highlights-2>
>
> Other aspects of the act include lifting the English testing process for
> naturalization which was imposed in the Naturalization Act of 1906
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1906> [5]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Boundless-5> 
> and
> eliminating the exclusion of homosexuals under the medically unsound
> classification of "sexual deviant" that was present in the passage of the
> 1965 Act.[6]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Homosexual_liberation-6>
>  George
> H. W. Bush is quoted in saying "I am also pleased to note that this Act
> facilitates immigration not just in numerical terms, but also in terms of
> basic entry rights of those beyond our borders."[7]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-G_Bush-7> The
> administration, therefore, saw the importance of this amendment in
> extending a welcoming to those previously excluded nations/individuals.
>
> Contents  [hide]
>
>    - 1Family reunification
>    
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#Family_reunification>
>    - 2Job-based immigration
>    
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#Job-based_immigration>
>    - 3Diversity Immigrant Visas
>    
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#Diversity_Immigrant_Visas>
>    - 4Comments from the Bush Administration
>    
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#Comments_from_the_Bush_Administration>
>    - 5Non-immigrant visas
>    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#Non-immigrant_visas>
>    - 6Significance
>    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#Significance>
>    - 7References
>    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#References>
>
> Family reunification[edit
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Immigration_Act_of_1990&action=edit&section=1>
> ]
>
> Family reunification remained a priority as it had been in the Immigration
> and Nationality Act of 1965
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965>.
> This act expanded the number of family-based immigration visas allotted per
> year to 480,000 but to do this it also made the definition of family more
> exclusive by limiting it to immediate family members.[4]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Immigration_Act_of_1990_Blue_title-4>
> Job-based immigration[edit
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Immigration_Act_of_1990&action=edit&section=2>
> ]
>
> Job-based immigration was divided amongst five occupational categories in
> the 1990 Immigration act (in the 1965 act only two existed.[2]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Fordham_Journal_Highlights-2>
>  The
> act provided 140,000 visas per year for job based immigration.[4]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Immigration_Act_of_1990_Blue_title-4>
>  These
> categories were:
>
>    - EB-1 visa <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EB-1_visa> (for an alien of
>    extraordinary ability
>    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_of_extraordinary_ability>)
>    - EB-2 visa <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EB-2_visa>
>    - EB-3 visa <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EB-3_visa>
>    - EB-4 visa
>    
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=EB-4_visa&action=edit&redlink=1>
>    - EB-5 visa <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EB-5_visa>
>
> The EB 4 visa is a vague but has to do with religious workers who wish to
> continue their career in the U.S. The reason for this distinct category is
> because the other visas require employer contact and labor certification
> through the U.S. Department of Labor
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Labor>, while
> the religious worker visa applicant is not strictly limited to
> employer-sponsored entry.[2]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Fordham_Journal_Highlights-2>
>
> In addition to having to be employer-sponsored, in most cases, the
> foreigner had to be applying to work in an area of labor shortage in the
> U.S. and if this was not the case, the employer had to bargain on their
> behalf and proves that they had exhausted all other domestic recruiting
> efforts.[2]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Fordham_Journal_Highlights-2>
> Diversity Immigrant Visas[edit
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Immigration_Act_of_1990&action=edit&section=3>
> ]
>
> Diversity Immigrant Visa
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity_Immigrant_Visa> was a new,
> important facet of the amendment that had never been instituted in national
> immigration policy before. "Starting in 1991, every year the Attorney
> General <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Attorney_General>,
> decides from information gathered over the most recent five year period the
> regions or country that are considered High Admission or Low Admission
> States"[8]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-8> from
> this analysis citizens of certain nations are deemed eligible or ineligible
> to apply for a diversity visa. "A High Admission region or country is one
> that has had 50,000 immigrants or more acquire a permanent residency visa.
> The High Admission regions are not given visas under this act in order to
> promote diversity."[3]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-US_immigration_legislation-3>
>  Starting
> in fiscal year 1995, the cap of 55,000 visas were allotted as "diversity"
> visas. Today it is more around 50,000. Changes have been made to the
> diversity visa requirements almost every other year (if not more) since
> 1990 to assess which countries qualify (see Diversity Immigrant Visa
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity_Immigrant_Visa>). In 1990 the
> qualifying countries were as follows: Albania, Algeria, Argentina, Austria,
> Belgium, Czech republic, Slovakia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France
> (including Guadeloupe and New Caledonia), Germany, Great Britain and
> Northern Ireland (including Bermuda and Gibraltar), Hungary, Iceland,
> Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania,
> Luxembourg, Monaco, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, San Marino, Sweden,
> Switzerland and Tunisia.[9]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Stanford-9> 
> There
> are a number of qualifications to obtaining this visa besides being from
> one of the qualifying zones. You must:
>
>    - Have a high school diploma
>    - Have 2 years work experience and 2 years job training
>
> In addition, the SOS keeps track of age, occupation, education, etc. of
> all immigrants obtaining this visa. The selection of qualifying applicants
> is random. Once you are approved and granted a visa, family unification
> does extend to these visa holders. Children and spouses are eligible for
> permanent residency. This policy, notably, positively effected displaced
> Tibetans from 1991–1994 who were given 1,000 visas per year.[3]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-US_immigration_legislation-3>
> Comments from the Bush Administration[edit
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Immigration_Act_of_1990&action=edit&section=4>
> ]
>
> George Bush: "S. 358 accomplishes what this Administration sought from the
> outset of the immigration reform process: a complementary blending of our
> tradition of family reunification with increased immigration of skilled
> individuals to meet our economic needs."
>
> "Today I am pleased to sign S. 358, the 'Immigration Act of 1990'—the most
> comprehensive reform of our immigration laws in 66 years."
>
> "Immigration reform began in 1986 with an effort to close the "back door"
> on illegal immigration through enactment of the 1986 Immigration Reform
> and Control Act
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986> 
> (IRCA).
> Now, as we open the "front door" to increased legal immigration, I am
> pleased that this Act also provides needed enforcement authority."
>
> "I am also pleased to note that this Act facilitates immigration not just
> in numerical terms, but also in terms of basic entry rights of those beyond
> our borders. S. 358 revises the politically related "exclusion grounds" for
> the first time since their enactment in 1952."[7]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-G_Bush-7>
> Non-immigrant visas[edit
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Immigration_Act_of_1990&action=edit&section=5>
> ]
>
> Controversy over the immigration act of 1990 stemmed mostly from the
> expansion of the green cards available for foreign laborers while limiting
> the access to temporary visas such as the H-1B visa
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-1B_visa> for visiting scholars. A
> bulletin released by the Stanford University News Service in Sept. 1991
> claims that "Stanford, and other universities, will have to do more
> paperwork to hire short-term visiting professors and researchers under the
> H-1 visa program."[9]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Stanford-9>
>
> The bill also introduced a cap of 65,000 per year to H-1B and excluded
> nurses, entertainers, athletes, and artists from qualifying.[2]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Fordham_Journal_Highlights-2>
>  Another
> short term visa is "D" category nonimmigrants who work "aboard sea or air
> carriers or as longshore workers" there were more constraints added to
> their ability to obtain visas as well.[2]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Fordham_Journal_Highlights-2>
>
> However, it also created new categories of nonimmigrant visas. The O and P
> categories were for extraordinarily skilled foreigners in the realm of
> entertainment, athletics, science, etc. Their admittance depended upon
> "consultation with the appropriate unions," usually who are asking them to
> the U.S. and their time allowed here depended on how long the
> event/activity they were participating in lasted.[2]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Fordham_Journal_Highlights-2>
> Significance[edit
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Immigration_Act_of_1990&action=edit&section=6>
> ]
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chart_of_foreign_born_in_the_US_labor_force_1900_to_2007.png>
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chart_of_foreign_born_in_the_US_labor_force_1900_to_2007.png>
> Foreign-born in US labor force 1900-2015
>
> After it became law, the United States would admit 700,000 new immigrants
> annually, up from 500,000 before the bill's passage. The new system
> continued to favor people with family members that already worked in the
> United States, but added 50,000 "diversity visas" for countries from which
> few were emigrating, as well as 40,000 permanent job-related workers and
> 65,000 temporary worker visas.[10]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-10> 
> Additional
> provisions strengthened the U.S. Border Patrol
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Border_Patrol> and altered language
> regarding disease restrictions in a way that permitted the Secretary of
> Health and Human Services
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_of_Health_and_Human_Services> to
> remove AIDS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS> from the list of
> illnesses making a prospective immigrant ineligible to enter the country.
> [11]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Aids_restriction_lifted-11>
>
> Following the passage of this act, there were more immigrants admitted to
> the U.S. in this decade than any prior decade in U.S. history with 10–11
> million documented entries.[5]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Boundless-5>
>
> This act also led to the creation of the *Jordan Commission or the U.S.
> Commission on Immigration Reform*. The Commission released 4 reports
> covering every aspect of U.S. Immigration policy and evaluated its quality
> and effectiveness, making recommendations based on their findings.[12]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Jordan_Commish-12>
>
> The report concluded with the following statement of principles:
> "Properly-regulated immigration and immigrant policy serves the national
> interest by ensuring the entry of those who will contribute most to our
> society and helping lawful newcomers adjust to life in the United States.
> It must give due consideration to shifting economic realities. A
> well-regulated system sets priorities for admission; facilitates nuclear
> family reunification; gives employers access to a global labor market while
> protecting U.S. workers; helps to generate jobs and economic growth; and
> fulfills our commitment to resettle refugees as one of several elements of
> humanitarian protection of the persecuted."[12]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990#cite_note-Jordan_Commish-12>
>
>
> 1948
>
> The Displaced Persons Act allows up to 200,000 refugees displaced by World
> War II to enter the U.S.
> 1950
>
> Internal Security Act allows the deportation of any immigrants who were
> ever members of the Communist Party.
> 1952
>
> Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (the McCarran-Walter Act)
> consolidates earlier immigration legislation into one law and eliminates
> race as a basis of exclusion. However, race continues to be a factor
> because the quota system remains in place, except for immigrants from the
> western hemisphere. Immigration from any country is capped at 1/6th of 1%
> of the population of that nationality based on the 1920 census.
> 1965
>
> The Immigration Act of 1965 gets rid of the nationality quotas, but limits
> annual immigration from the eastern hemisphere to 170,000, with a limit of
> 20,000 immigrants per country, and for the first time caps annual
> immigration from the western hemisphere at 120,000, without the country
> limit. In addition, a preference system is established for family members
> of U.S. citizens.
> 1966
>
> Cuban Adjustment Act allows Cubans to apply for permanent resident status
> after residing in the U.S. for two years.
> 1975
>
> At the end of the Vietnam War, the U.S. passes the Indochina Migration and
> Refugee Assistance Act of 1975 that resettles about 200,000 Vietnamese and
> Cambodian refugees in the U.S. and gives them a special parole status. The
> program was extended to Laotians in 1976.
> 1978
>
> The immigration caps outlined in the 1965 Immigration Act are replaced
> with an overall annual limit of 290,000.
> 1980
>
> The Refugee Act defines refugees as a person who flees his or her country
> “on account of race, religion, nationality, or political opinion.” Refugees
> are considered a different category than immigrants. The president and
> Congress are granted the authority to establish an annual ceiling on the
> number of refugees allowed into the U.S. The act also lowers the annual
> limit of immigrants to 270,000, from 290,000.
> 1986
>
> The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA) allows immigrants
> who had entered the U.S. before Jan. 1, 1982, to apply for legal status but
> required them to pay fines, fees, and back taxes. It also gives the same
> rights to immigrants who worked in agricultural jobs for 90 days before May
> 1982. About 3 million immigrants gained legal status through the law. The
> act also requires employers to verify work status of all new hires and fine
> those who hire undocumented workers.
> 1990
>
> The Immigration Act of 1990 sets an annual ceiling of 700,000 immigrants
> for three years, and 675,000 thereafter.
> 1996
>
> The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act broadens
> the definition of “aggravated felony” and increases the number of crimes
> classified as such so immigrants could be deported for a wider range of
> crimes. The law is applied retroactively. The act also increased the number
> of Border Patrol agents and established an “expedited removal” procedure to
> deport immigrants without a formal hearing.
>
> Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act sharply
> cuts legal permanent residents’ eligibility for many public-assistance
> benefits, including food stamps, Supplemental Security Income (SSI),
> Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), and Medicaid.
> 2005
>
> The REAL ID Act of 2005 requires states to verify a person’s immigration
> status or citizenship before issuing licenses, expands restrictions on
> refugees requesting asylum, and limits the habeas corpus rights of
> immigrants.
> 2006
>
> The REAL ID Act of 2005 requires states to verify a person’s immigration
> status or citizenship before issuing licenses, expands restrictions on
> refugees requesting asylum, and limits the habeas corpus rights of
> immigrants.
> 2014
>
> On Nov. 20, 2014, President Barack Obama announced he was taking executive
> action to delay the deportation of some 5 million illegal immigrants. Under
> the new policy people who are parents of U.S. citizens or legal residents
> will receive deportation deferrals and authorization to work legally if
> they have been in the U.S. for more than five years and pass background
> checks.
>
> On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 11:41:10 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote:
>
>> I think it's the deluge of immigrants, both legal and illegal, pouring
>> into Western Nations.
>>
>> I've often said of late:  we, as a Nation could survive the onslaught of
>> massive (Legal & Illegal) immigration, maybe for another decade.  We, as a
>> Nation could most likely survive our massive debt for probably another
>> decade.  We can't survive both the debt and the massive influx, and survive
>> for another decade.
>>
>> Something had to come to a head, and our "Cultures", both here and in
>> Western Europa, were due for a "Culture Change" and both Americans and even
>> their European socialist counterparts knew it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Kamakazee <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> A few things; first and foremost, the internet.  Organizing the
>>> protesting has never been more efficient or easy.
>>>
>>> Secondly, and related, most of us feel the need to take care of our
>>> "own" first.
>>>
>>> Lastly, "things" (socially, politically, economically) have gone to far
>>> to an extreme.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 9:57:52 AM UTC-6, gtheist957 wrote:
>>>
>>>> What does everyone think is the onus for the populist/ anti globalist
>>>> movements and why now?
>>>
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