For what? 2-ply. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Doc Holliday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> > No need > > Peace, > Doc > > On Nov 13, 8:46 pm, Jim Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Nice rhetoric, little sense. Learn to conjugate. > > > > On Nov 13, 8:42 pm, Doc Holliday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I'm for sovereignty! There don't need to be any more divide and > > > conquer tactics used to divert our attention. But not to enrich > > > backwaters etc hidden agenda / interest of doing so for financial > > > gain. All "we" have to do is not support them and or not hire them and > > > criminalize the ones who do. They'll go home. > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY > > > > > Peace, > > > Doc > > > > > On Nov 13, 8:27 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hogwash. I hope he issues all those pardons and especially the 2 > border > > > > guards (Campean & Ramos) wrongly tried and convicted of doing nothing > more > > > > than their job. > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Doc Holliday < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > > > Impeach Bush To Stop Pardons > > > > >http://www.democrats.com/pardon?cid=ZGVtczM2OTY0OWRlbXM= > > > > > > > 9214 of100000people have signed – see totals by state and > > > > > Congressional District. > > > > > President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney stand accused > of > > > > > 39 grave and impeachable offenses, including war crimes, torture, > > > > > warrantless wiretapping, and outing a covert CIA operative. > > > > > > > Most of these offenses are felonies for which Bush and Cheney can > be > > > > > criminally prosecuted after they leave office. But prosecutions > will > > > > > be impossible if Bush issues blanket pre-emptive pardons for Dick > > > > > Cheney, Scooter Libby, other senior officials, and even himself. > > > > > > > Can Bush do this? Absolutely. Gerald Ford set the precedent in 1974 > > > > > when he gave Richard Nixon a blanket pre-emptive pardon for any > crime > > > > > he "may have committed." > > > > > > > Presidential pardon power is nearly unlimited under the > Constitution. > > > > > We support efforts in Congress to outlaw pre-emptive or > self-pardons, > > > > > but even if a bill passes Congress before Bush leave office, Bush > will > > > > > certainly veto it. So how can we stop Bush's pardons? > > > > > > > The Founding Fathers clearly anticipated a corrupt President might > > > > > pardon his co-conspirators, and specified impeachment as the > remedy. > > > > > > > George Mason, the father of the Bill of Rights, argued at the > > > > > Constitutional Convention that the President might use his > pardoning > > > > > power to "pardon crimes which were advised by himself" or, before > > > > > indictment or conviction, "to stop inquiry and prevent detection." > > > > > > > James Madison, the father of the U.S. Constitution, added that "if > the > > > > > President be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any person, > and > > > > > there be grounds to believe he will shelter [pardon] him, the House > of > > > > > Representatives can impeach him; they can remove him if found > guilty." > > > > > > > As your constituent, I urge you to impeach George Bush and Dick > Cheney > > > > > before they issue pardons. But if that fails, I urge you to impeach > > > > > George Bush and Dick Cheney afterwards for issuing pardons that > > > > > constitute obstruction of justice and abuse of power. > > > > > > > A post-inaugural impeachment would prohibit those impeached from > ever > > > > > holding federal office, either elected or appointed. Arguably, > > > > > impeachment would also nullify pre-impeachment pardons and permit > > > > > prosecutions. Finally, impeachment would tell future Presidents > they > > > > > cannot abuse their pardon power to put themselves above the law. > > > > > > > In 1776, Thomas Paine famously wrote, "in America, the law is > King." > > > > > Congress must not allow a President to commit crimes with impunity, > or > > > > > it makes the President a dictator - or a King. > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > Doc > > > > > > > On Nov 13, 7:58 pm, Jim Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Since Obama abdicated honesty by claiming to be the tax slasher > and > > > > > > defender of the universe apparently he, "and his ilk" are > attempting > > > > > > to double down; gut shoot the inside straight and blanket > themselves > > > > > > in constitutional credence. Honestly, this takes more cajones > than an > > > > > > elephant about to mount Rosie O'Donnell. Gee, even that picture > makes > > > > > > me somewhat ill. > > > > > > > > For those of us paying attention to the Obama instead of gushing > > > > > > homage we've noticed a call from the chosen one and his > supporters to > > > > > > a return to the constitution and those founding principals > abiding > > > > > > within the text. To the huddled masses chanting, "yes we can" > this > > > > > > communal soliloquy might fly yet, for we in the top ten percent, > > > > > > firing over 90% of neurons along our synapsetic highway this is > the > > > > > > epitome of lipstick on a pig. > > > > > > > > Conservatives read our constitution much as liberals read a wine > list > > > > > > with pinky finger outstretched. We know it, we get it and we are > > > > > > consumed by it. We believe it to be sacrosanct and unassailable. > To > > > > > > we, the people, it is an inspired document of divine genesis. For > > > > > > liberals it is merely two ply on a scroll. > > > > > > > > We have witnessed testimony, wherein posited profundities > postulated > > > > > > that his holiest Barack conjoined with the ACLU, will end the > > > > > > transgression of Bush II and restore constitutionality to these > amber > > > > > > waves of grain upon which God shed his grace. Oh really? > > > > > > > > The ACLU was founded by a Communist, with communist ideals, > communist > > > > > > goals, and they continue to impose a Communist like agenda on > America > > > > > > daily. The founder of the ACLU, Roger Baldwin stated clearly… "My > > > > > > chief aversion is the system of greed, private profit, privilege > and > > > > > > violence which makes up the control of the world today, and which > has > > > > > > brought it to the tragic crisis of unprecedented hunger and > > > > > > unemployment Therefore, I am for Socialism, disarmament and > > > > > > ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself, I seek the > social > > > > > > ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and > sole > > > > > > control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal." > > > > > > This revelation on its face would be, "in all intellectual > circles" > > > > > > game, set and match. Yet, draw near and prepare to be dazzled > with > > > > > > this soon to be award winning composition, for in this endeavor, > with > > > > > > talent on loan from Rush, I draw inspiration from the almighty > and > > > > > > have only just begun. > > > > > > Federal Judge Phyllis Hamilton, "a Clinton appointee" recently > upheld > > > > > > a ruling requiring seventh-grade students to pretend they're > Muslims, > > > > > > wear Islamic garb, memorize verses from the Quran, pray to Allah > and > > > > > > even to play "jihad games" in California public schools.(WND) > > > > > > > > The ACLU has refused to comment on the ruling except to say they > find, > > > > > > "nothing actionable" in the ruling. Translation: the ACLU doesn't > have > > > > > > a problem with it. If California public schools were requiring > > > > > > students to memorize Bible verses the ACLU would have lawyers > kicking > > > > > > down the school doors and would be all over local school boards > like > > > > > > Rosie O'Donnell on a baked ham. You just know they would. > > > > > > > > In 1989 the ACLU began a crusade to remove the Mount Soledad > Cross > > > > > > located in the center of a Korean War Memorial in San Diego, > > > > > > California. The Cross was erected in 1954. While continuing a > battle > > > > > > to have the Cross removed they have defended Muslims who have > > > > > > demanded, "Foot Basins" in airports, football stadiums and other > > > > > > public places. Foot Basins are used by Muslims in preparation for > > > > > > prayer. "Why are we constructing places of worship for them > inside our > > > > > > airports?" said an airport official who requested anonymity. "Why > are > > > > > > we catering to their rituals? We don't do it for any other > > > > > > religion."(WND) As Christians, let's ask airport officials for a > > > > > > chapel and see how long it takes for the ACLU to come to our aid. > > > > > > Waiting……….waiting…….. > > > > > > > > While absolutely berating pharmacists, who, "because of religious > > > > > > convictions" have refused to sell "Levonelle", commonly referred > to as > > > > > > the morning after pill. The ACLU defends Muslim taxi drivers who > have > > > > > > refused to carry passengers who have been drinking alcohol or > possess > > > > > > alcohol. The ACLU has even gone as far as to defend the rights of > > > > > > Muslim taxi drivers to refuse to carry blind patrons who avail > > > > > > themselves of a Seeing Eye dog. The Islamic religion considers > dogs > > > > > > unclean. If Timmy's in the well does it matter if Lassie has had > a > > > > > > bath? In a related case, it wasn't a surprise when the ACLU came > to > > > > > > the defense of Muslims employed at Target stores who refused to > scan > > > > > > pork products. Got Bacon? > > > > > > > > At this point I imagine liberal foreheads to be throbbing and I > know > > > > > > just how to push them over the edge. Abortion, utter the word and > > > > > > liberals go running for a soapbox. In 1973 the United States > Supreme > > > > > > Court found a right to privacy in the constitution where one did > not > > > > > > exist. Since then over 40 million abortions have been performed. > > > > > > Abortion angers conservatives on two fronts. We believe abortion > to be > > > > > > immoral and an adulteration of our constitution. > > > > > > > > The ACLU, "with a nod from the courts" has taken abortion out of > the > > > > > > public debate, "or so they thought" and relegated this most > important > > > > > > decision to nine justices and not to the people. Now, the ACLU is > > > > > > going after the tax exempt status of churches who dare speak out > > > > > > against abortion on moral grounds, calling such speech political. > In > > > > > > 1987, the ACLU Foundation and the New York Civil Liberties Union > filed > > > > > > an amicus brief in support of Abortion Rights Mobilization to > secure > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > > -- *~@):~{> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
