>>> "We have every reason to doubt the reports that Iran is providing mass >>> amounts of weapons to Iraqi insugents. This is based on our actual records and on the ground experince with the weapons being seized from insurgents.
The key word here is "mass"... That is ARE providing weapons in a non massive way, as IEDs IS the problem... Further there are several layers of providing arms (or money and traINING WHICH IS not BEING DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED HERE) between "Mass" and "Few", the later being the claim by Mike... Mike's spin is saying 1) "Not massive" means "Few" 2) Only actual arms (excluding funding, and training and maintaining a supply line) is the criteria of interference by Iran in Iraq 3) And after has falsification of meaning and distort of actual facts, Mike purposely ignores the events of the recent past in Lebanon. Iraq, Syria and the like BTW AQ and Iran (Sunni and Shia) have provided "foreign fighters" to "invade Iraq", yet I have have heard zip from Mike about this... On Nov 17, 5:17 pm, CFTMEDITOR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay, then maybe you'll believe what I was told by one of the press > spokesmen of a 4th Infantry Division Combat Team assigned to MNFI > earlier this year. > > He also told the same thing to Fox news and has been quoted in an > official MNFI press release. > > Maj. Dave Olson, 1st BCT Spokesman, 4th Inf. Div., MND-B. > > October 5th, 2008. > (I can't find the actual link, there are thousands of press releases > and I am trying to find the one I excerpted this from.) > > "We have every reason to doubt the reports that Iran is providing mass > amounts of weapons to Iraqi insugents. This is based on our actual > records and on the ground experince with the weapons being seized from > insurgents. We see the daily reports and are aware of the fact that > only about 5% of all weapons discovered or confiscated are of Iranian > origin or were provided by Iranian sources." > > So I guess that pretty much speaks for itself. > > I would assume you just don't want to hear the truth because you have > swallowed the whole Bushit administration hype and think Iran is the > next evil empire that needs to be invaded. > > Stop watching Fox News and stop letting Bill O'Reilly and Hannity do > your thinking. > > On Nov 17, 4:51 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have many times, you just ignore them... But you use highly > > selected facts for an tin foil outcome... > > > On Nov 17, 3:59 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > aw poor baby did i rain on your parade again ? hey if you can show > > > any of the facts in this article are wrong please do so . > > > > On Nov 17, 12:27 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Mike desperate to exploit "Hate BUSH ALL the time" fanatics, posted > > > > another lie by half or less truth... By selectively choosing facts > > > > that fit the assumption Mike has once again proved that any thesis can > > > > be proven true if your side controls which facts are permissible... > > > > > It is rumored that Mike's new book will conclusively prove the Moon is > > > > made of green cheese and that Wisconsin dairy farmer lobbyists have > > > > paid off governmental watch dogs in order to inflate the price of > > > > green cheese.. This vast RW conspiracy according to Mike is just > > > > another example of the neo-cons seeking to control the world... > > > > > Sources tell this reporter that Mike is said to have claim ed "Hitler > > > > and Stalin were geniuses at half truth lies, so I follow their expert > > > > advise"... Mike refused to comment about how he learned his spin > > > > craft... > > > > >http://www.mikesfoghorn.com > > > > > On Nov 17, 6:44 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > US Task Force Found Few Iranian Arms in Iraq > > > > > http://www.truthout.org/111608C > > > > > Washington - Last April, top George W. Bush administration officials, > > > > > desperate to exploit any possible crack in the close relationship > > > > > between the Nouri al-Maliki government and Iran, launched a new round > > > > > of charges that Iran had stepped up covert arms assistance to Shi'a > > > > > militias. > > > > > > Secretary of Defence Robert M. Gates suggested that there was > > > > > "some sense of an increased level of [Iranian] supply of weapons and > > > > > support to these groups." And Washington Post reporter Karen DeYoung > > > > > was told by military officials that the "plentiful, high quality > > > > > weaponry" the militia was then using in Basra was "recently > > > > > manufactured in Iran". > > > > > > But a U.S. military task force had been passing on data to the > > > > > Multi-National Force Iraq (MNFI) command that told a very different > > > > > story. The data collected by the task force in the previous six weeks > > > > > showed that relatively few of the weapons found in Shi'a militia > > > > > caches were manufactured in Iran. > > > > > > According to the data compiled by the task force, and made > > > > > available to an academic research project last July, only 70 weapons > > > > > believed to have been manufactured in Iran had been found in post- > > > > > invasion weapons caches between mid-February and the second week in > > > > > April. And those weapons represented only 17 percent of the weapons > > > > > found in caches that had any Iranian weapons in them during that > > > > > period. > > > > > > The actual proportion of Iranian-made weapons to total weapons > > > > > found, however, was significantly lower than that, because the task > > > > > force was finding many more weapons caches in Shi'a areas that did > > > > > not > > > > > have any Iranian weapons in them. > > > > > > The task force database identified 98 caches over the five-month > > > > > period with at least one Iranian weapon, excluding caches believed to > > > > > have been hidden prior to the 2003 U.S. invasion. > > > > > > But according to an e-mail from the MNFI press desk this week, > > > > > the > > > > > task force found and analysed a total of roughly 4,600 weapons caches > > > > > during that same period. > > > > > > The caches that included Iranian weapons thus represented just 2 > > > > > percent of all caches found. That means Iranian-made weapons were a > > > > > fraction of one percent of the total weapons found in Shi'a militia > > > > > caches during that period. > > > > > > The extremely small proportion of Iranian arms in Shi'a militia > > > > > weapons caches further suggests that Shi'a militia fighters in Iraq > > > > > had been getting weapons from local and international arms markets > > > > > rather than from an official Iranian-sponsored smuggling network. > > > > > > The database was compiled by MNFI's Task Force Troy, which was > > > > > directed to examine all weapons caches found in Iraq beginning in > > > > > early January 2008 to identify Iranian-made weapons. The database was > > > > > released by MNFI last July to the Empirical Studies of Conflict > > > > > project, co-sponsored by the U.S. Military Academy and Princeton > > > > > University, and was published for the first time by West Point's > > > > > Counter-Terrorism Centre last month as an appendix to a paper on > > > > > Iranian strategy in Iraq by Joseph Felter and Brian Fishman. > > > > > > In late April, the U.S. presented the Maliki government with a > > > > > document that apparently listed various Iranian arms found in Iraq > > > > > and > > > > > highlighted alleged Iranian arms found in Basra. But the U.S. > > > > > campaign > > > > > to convince Iraqi officials collapsed when Task Force Troy analysed a > > > > > series of large weapons caches uncovered in Basra and Karbala in > > > > > April > > > > > and May. > > > > > > Caches of arms found in Karbala late last April and May totaled > > > > > more than 2,500 weapons, and caches in Basra included at least 3,700 > > > > > weapons, according to official MNFI statements. That brought the > > > > > total > > > > > number of weapons found in those former Mahdi Army strongholds to > > > > > more > > > > > than 6,200 weapons. > > > > > > But the task force found that none of those weapons were Iranian- > > > > > made. The database lists three caches found Apr. 19, but provides no > > > > > data on any of them. It lists no other caches for the region > > > > > coinciding with that period, confirming that no weapons had been > > > > > found > > > > > to be of Iranian origin. > > > > > > In announcing the weapons totals discovered in Basra to reporters > > > > > on May 7, Maj. Gen. Kevin Bergner said nothing about the provenance > > > > > of > > > > > the weapons, implicitly admitting that they were not Iranian-made. > > > > > > Only two months before the new high-level propaganda push on > > > > > alleged Iranian weapons supply to Shi'a militias, the U.S. command > > > > > had > > > > > put out a story suggesting that large numbers of Iranian-supplied > > > > > arms > > > > > had been buried all over the country. On Feb. 17, 2008, U.S. military > > > > > spokesman Rear Admiral Gregory Smith told reporters that Iraqi and > > > > > coalition forces had captured 212 weapons caches across Iraq over the > > > > > previous week "with growing links to the Iranian-backed special > > > > > groups". > > > > > > The Task Force Troy data for the week of Feb. 9-16 show, however, > > > > > that the U.S. command had information on Iranian arms contradicting > > > > > that propaganda line. According to the task force database, only five > > > > > of those 212 caches contained any Iranian weapons that analysts > > > > > believed might have been buried after the U.S. invasion. And the > > > > > total > > > > > number of confirmed Iranian-made weapons found in those five caches, > > > > > according to the data, was eight, not including four Iranian-made > > > > > hand > > > > > grenades. > > > > > > The task force database includes 350 armour-piercing explosively > > > > > formed penetrators (EFPs) found in Iraqi weapons caches. However, the > > > > > database does not identify any of the EFPs as Iranian weapons. > > > > > > That treatment of EFPs in the caches appears to contradict claims > > > > > by U.S. officials throughout 2007 and much of 2008 that EFPs were > > > > > being smuggled into Iraq by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. > > > > > The > > > > > allegedly Iranian-manufactured EFPs had been the centrepiece of the > > > > > U.S. military's February 2007 briefing charging Iran with arming > > > > > Shi'a > > > > > militiamen in Iraq. > > > > > > Press reports of a series of discoveries of shops for > > > > > manufacturing EFPs in Iraq in 2007 forced the U.S. command to admit > > > > > that the capacity to manufacture EFPs was not limited to Iran. By the > > > > > second half of 2008, U.S. officials had stopped referring to Iranian > > > > > supply of EFPs altogether. > > > > > > Felter and Fishman do not analyse the task force data in their > > > > > paper, but they > > ... > > read more ยป --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
