Once again you prove the bigots among us are Lefties... Your claim is simplely a lie... The problem here is not knowledge but manufacturing capacity...
On Nov 19, 3:48 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hollywood most Americans have been taught that dark skinned people are > stupid and backward and must get all of their knowledge from someone > else . it never enters their heads that almost ever modern machine has > it origins rooted in the area of modern Iraq . the Iraqi people don't > need others to show them how to manufacturer shaped charges for IED's > in their machine shops they already know > > On Nov 18, 7:17 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > jgg, > > > Do you understand what the term "IED" means? It stands for "improvised > > explosive device". In short, a home made explosive device, or booby- > > trap, made from just about any explosive agent. Nothing new, nothing > > exotic, nothing that has to be improted from a foreign country with a > > sopthisticated munitions industry. A hand-grenade with the pin pulled > > and stuffed in a tin can for an unwary soldier to kick is a "IED". > > > On Nov 18, 8:18 am, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >>> "We have every reason to doubt the reports that Iran is providing > > > >>> mass amounts of weapons to Iraqi insugents. This is based on our > > > >>> actual > > > > records and on the ground experince with the weapons being seized from > > > insurgents. > > > > The key word here is "mass"... That is ARE providing weapons in a > > > non massive way, as IEDs IS the problem... Further there are several > > > layers of providing arms (or money and traINING WHICH IS not BEING > > > DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED HERE) between "Mass" and "Few", the later > > > being the claim by Mike... Mike's spin is saying > > > > 1) "Not massive" means "Few" > > > > 2) Only actual arms (excluding funding, and training and maintaining a > > > supply line) is the criteria of interference by Iran in Iraq > > > > 3) And after has falsification of meaning and distort of actual facts, > > > Mike purposely ignores the events of the recent past in Lebanon. Iraq, > > > Syria and the like > > > > BTW AQ and Iran (Sunni and Shia) have provided "foreign fighters" to > > > "invade Iraq", yet I have have heard zip from Mike about this... > > > > On Nov 17, 5:17 pm, CFTMEDITOR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Okay, then maybe you'll believe what I was told by one of the press > > > > spokesmen of a 4th Infantry Division Combat Team assigned to MNFI > > > > earlier this year. > > > > > He also told the same thing to Fox news and has been quoted in an > > > > official MNFI press release. > > > > > Maj. Dave Olson, 1st BCT Spokesman, 4th Inf. Div., MND-B. > > > > > October 5th, 2008. > > > > (I can't find the actual link, there are thousands of press releases > > > > and I am trying to find the one I excerpted this from.) > > > > > "We have every reason to doubt the reports that Iran is providing mass > > > > amounts of weapons to Iraqi insugents. This is based on our actual > > > > records and on the ground experince with the weapons being seized from > > > > insurgents. We see the daily reports and are aware of the fact that > > > > only about 5% of all weapons discovered or confiscated are of Iranian > > > > origin or were provided by Iranian sources." > > > > > So I guess that pretty much speaks for itself. > > > > > I would assume you just don't want to hear the truth because you have > > > > swallowed the whole Bushit administration hype and think Iran is the > > > > next evil empire that needs to be invaded. > > > > > Stop watching Fox News and stop letting Bill O'Reilly and Hannity do > > > > your thinking. > > > > > On Nov 17, 4:51 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I have many times, you just ignore them... But you use highly > > > > > selected facts for an tin foil outcome... > > > > > > On Nov 17, 3:59 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > aw poor baby did i rain on your parade again ? hey if you can show > > > > > > any of the facts in this article are wrong please do so . > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 12:27 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mike desperate to exploit "Hate BUSH ALL the time" fanatics, > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > another lie by half or less truth... By selectively choosing > > > > > > > facts > > > > > > > that fit the assumption Mike has once again proved that any > > > > > > > thesis can > > > > > > > be proven true if your side controls which facts are > > > > > > > permissible... > > > > > > > > It is rumored that Mike's new book will conclusively prove the > > > > > > > Moon is > > > > > > > made of green cheese and that Wisconsin dairy farmer lobbyists > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > paid off governmental watch dogs in order to inflate the price of > > > > > > > green cheese.. This vast RW conspiracy according to Mike is just > > > > > > > another example of the neo-cons seeking to control the world... > > > > > > > > Sources tell this reporter that Mike is said to have claim ed > > > > > > > "Hitler > > > > > > > and Stalin were geniuses at half truth lies, so I follow their > > > > > > > expert > > > > > > > advise"... Mike refused to comment about how he learned his spin > > > > > > > craft... > > > > > > > >http://www.mikesfoghorn.com > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 6:44 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > US Task Force Found Few Iranian Arms in Iraq > > > > > > > > http://www.truthout.org/111608C > > > > > > > > Washington - Last April, top George W. Bush administration > > > > > > > > officials, > > > > > > > > desperate to exploit any possible crack in the close > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > between the Nouri al-Maliki government and Iran, launched a new > > > > > > > > round > > > > > > > > of charges that Iran had stepped up covert arms assistance to > > > > > > > > Shi'a > > > > > > > > militias. > > > > > > > > > Secretary of Defence Robert M. Gates suggested that there > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > "some sense of an increased level of [Iranian] supply of > > > > > > > > weapons and > > > > > > > > support to these groups." And Washington Post reporter Karen > > > > > > > > DeYoung > > > > > > > > was told by military officials that the "plentiful, high quality > > > > > > > > weaponry" the militia was then using in Basra was "recently > > > > > > > > manufactured in Iran". > > > > > > > > > But a U.S. military task force had been passing on data to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Multi-National Force Iraq (MNFI) command that told a very > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > story. The data collected by the task force in the previous six > > > > > > > > weeks > > > > > > > > showed that relatively few of the weapons found in Shi'a militia > > > > > > > > caches were manufactured in Iran. > > > > > > > > > According to the data compiled by the task force, and made > > > > > > > > available to an academic research project last July, only 70 > > > > > > > > weapons > > > > > > > > believed to have been manufactured in Iran had been found in > > > > > > > > post- > > > > > > > > invasion weapons caches between mid-February and the second > > > > > > > > week in > > > > > > > > April. And those weapons represented only 17 percent of the > > > > > > > > weapons > > > > > > > > found in caches that had any Iranian weapons in them during that > > > > > > > > period. > > > > > > > > > The actual proportion of Iranian-made weapons to total > > > > > > > > weapons > > > > > > > > found, however, was significantly lower than that, because the > > > > > > > > task > > > > > > > > force was finding many more weapons caches in Shi'a areas that > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > have any Iranian weapons in them. > > > > > > > > > The task force database identified 98 caches over the > > > > > > > > five-month > > > > > > > > period with at least one Iranian weapon, excluding caches > > > > > > > > believed to > > > > > > > > have been hidden prior to the 2003 U.S. invasion. > > > > > > > > > But according to an e-mail from the MNFI press desk this > > > > > > > > week, > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > task force found and analysed a total of roughly 4,600 weapons > > > > > > > > caches > > > > > > > > during that same period. > > > > > > > > > The caches that included Iranian weapons thus represented > > > > > > > > just 2 > > > > > > > > percent of all caches found. That means Iranian-made weapons > > > > > > > > were a > > > > > > > > fraction of one percent of the total weapons found in Shi'a > > > > > > > > militia > > > > > > > > caches during that period. > > > > > > > > > The extremely small proportion of Iranian arms in Shi'a > > > > > > > > militia > > > > > > > > weapons caches further suggests that Shi'a militia fighters in > > > > > > > > Iraq > > > > > > > > had been getting weapons from local and international arms > > > > > > > > markets > > > > > > > > rather than from an official Iranian-sponsored smuggling > > > > > > > > network. > > > > > > > > > The database was compiled by MNFI's Task Force Troy, which > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > directed to examine all weapons caches found in Iraq beginning > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > early January 2008 to identify Iranian-made weapons. The > > > > > > > > database was > > > > > > > > released by MNFI last July to the Empirical Studies of Conflict > > > > > > > > project, co-sponsored by the U.S. Military Academy and Princeton > > > > > > > > University, and was published for the first time by West Point's > > > > > > > > Counter-Terrorism Centre last month as an appendix to a paper on > > > > > > > > Iranian strategy in Iraq by Joseph Felter and Brian Fishman. > > > > > > > > > In late April, the U.S. presented the Maliki government > > > > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > document that apparently listed various Iranian arms found in > > > > > > > > Iraq > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > highlighted alleged Iranian arms found in Basra. But the U.S. > > > > > > > > campaign > > > > > > > > to convince Iraqi officials collapsed when Task Force Troy > > > > > > > > analysed a > > > > > > > > series of large weapons caches uncovered in Basra and Karbala in > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > and May. > > > > > > > > > Caches of arms found in Karbala late last April and May > > > > > > > > totaled > > > > > > > > more than 2,500 weapons, and caches in Basra included at least > > > > > > > > 3,700 > > > > > > > > weapons, according to official MNFI statements. That brought the > > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > number of weapons found in those former Mahdi Army strongholds > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > than 6,200 weapons. > > > > > > > > > But the task force > > ... > > read more ยป --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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