like it or not the evidence shows bush lied about Iran just like he lied about Iraq
On Nov 18, 5:01 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I said, that is YOUR problem... > > On Nov 18, 4:33 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > bull shite it is about bush and his corrupt policies ! > > > On Nov 18, 4:31 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Only to a BDS victim... You think this should be all about Bush... > > > It is NOT, nor never was... It is about Radical Islamic, in Iran's > > > case Shia, and how it effects geopolitics in the ME, and the world... > > > And of course you insist Iran did not give money, arms, and training > > > to the insurgents in Iraq... You MUST do that to justify your > > > BDS... Even your language calling Sadr's and AQ thugs "Freedom > > > Fighters" drips of your ideological bias... The problem is of > > > course, it is the Iraq people who rejected AQ and Sadr BECAUSE they > > > were thugs... > > > > One only has to look to Lebanon to see Iranian MO... But you refuse > > > to consider geo-political reality, instead you think it is and was all > > > about bashing Bush... > > > > On Nov 18, 4:03 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > the key point is bush lied about Iran's arming the Iraqi freedom > > > > fighters ! > > > > they also lied about the IED's which they later had to admit were > > > > being made in Iraq by the freedom fighters . > > > > On Nov 18, 9:18 am, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > >>> "We have every reason to doubt the reports that Iran is providing > > > > > >>> mass amounts of weapons to Iraqi insugents. This is based on our > > > > > >>> actual > > > > > > records and on the ground experince with the weapons being seized from > > > > > insurgents. > > > > > > The key word here is "mass"... That is ARE providing weapons in a > > > > > non massive way, as IEDs IS the problem... Further there are several > > > > > layers of providing arms (or money and traINING WHICH IS not BEING > > > > > DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED HERE) between "Mass" and "Few", the later > > > > > being the claim by Mike... Mike's spin is saying > > > > > > 1) "Not massive" means "Few" > > > > > > 2) Only actual arms (excluding funding, and training and maintaining a > > > > > supply line) is the criteria of interference by Iran in Iraq > > > > > > 3) And after has falsification of meaning and distort of actual facts, > > > > > Mike purposely ignores the events of the recent past in Lebanon. Iraq, > > > > > Syria and the like > > > > > > BTW AQ and Iran (Sunni and Shia) have provided "foreign fighters" to > > > > > "invade Iraq", yet I have have heard zip from Mike about this... > > > > > > On Nov 17, 5:17 pm, CFTMEDITOR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Okay, then maybe you'll believe what I was told by one of the press > > > > > > spokesmen of a 4th Infantry Division Combat Team assigned to MNFI > > > > > > earlier this year. > > > > > > > He also told the same thing to Fox news and has been quoted in an > > > > > > official MNFI press release. > > > > > > > Maj. Dave Olson, 1st BCT Spokesman, 4th Inf. Div., MND-B. > > > > > > > October 5th, 2008. > > > > > > (I can't find the actual link, there are thousands of press releases > > > > > > and I am trying to find the one I excerpted this from.) > > > > > > > "We have every reason to doubt the reports that Iran is providing > > > > > > mass > > > > > > amounts of weapons to Iraqi insugents. This is based on our actual > > > > > > records and on the ground experince with the weapons being seized > > > > > > from > > > > > > insurgents. We see the daily reports and are aware of the fact that > > > > > > only about 5% of all weapons discovered or confiscated are of > > > > > > Iranian > > > > > > origin or were provided by Iranian sources." > > > > > > > So I guess that pretty much speaks for itself. > > > > > > > I would assume you just don't want to hear the truth because you > > > > > > have > > > > > > swallowed the whole Bushit administration hype and think Iran is the > > > > > > next evil empire that needs to be invaded. > > > > > > > Stop watching Fox News and stop letting Bill O'Reilly and Hannity do > > > > > > your thinking. > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 4:51 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I have many times, you just ignore them... But you use highly > > > > > > > selected facts for an tin foil outcome... > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 3:59 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > aw poor baby did i rain on your parade again ? hey if you can > > > > > > > > show > > > > > > > > any of the facts in this article are wrong please do so . > > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 12:27 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mike desperate to exploit "Hate BUSH ALL the time" fanatics, > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > another lie by half or less truth... By selectively choosing > > > > > > > > > facts > > > > > > > > > that fit the assumption Mike has once again proved that any > > > > > > > > > thesis can > > > > > > > > > be proven true if your side controls which facts are > > > > > > > > > permissible... > > > > > > > > > > It is rumored that Mike's new book will conclusively prove > > > > > > > > > the Moon is > > > > > > > > > made of green cheese and that Wisconsin dairy farmer > > > > > > > > > lobbyists have > > > > > > > > > paid off governmental watch dogs in order to inflate the > > > > > > > > > price of > > > > > > > > > green cheese.. This vast RW conspiracy according to Mike is > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > another example of the neo-cons seeking to control the > > > > > > > > > world... > > > > > > > > > > Sources tell this reporter that Mike is said to have claim ed > > > > > > > > > "Hitler > > > > > > > > > and Stalin were geniuses at half truth lies, so I follow > > > > > > > > > their expert > > > > > > > > > advise"... Mike refused to comment about how he learned his > > > > > > > > > spin > > > > > > > > > craft... > > > > > > > > > >http://www.mikesfoghorn.com > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 6:44 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > US Task Force Found Few Iranian Arms in Iraq > > > > > > > > > > http://www.truthout.org/111608C > > > > > > > > > > Washington - Last April, top George W. Bush administration > > > > > > > > > > officials, > > > > > > > > > > desperate to exploit any possible crack in the close > > > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > > > between the Nouri al-Maliki government and Iran, launched a > > > > > > > > > > new round > > > > > > > > > > of charges that Iran had stepped up covert arms assistance > > > > > > > > > > to Shi'a > > > > > > > > > > militias. > > > > > > > > > > > Secretary of Defence Robert M. Gates suggested that > > > > > > > > > > there was > > > > > > > > > > "some sense of an increased level of [Iranian] supply of > > > > > > > > > > weapons and > > > > > > > > > > support to these groups." And Washington Post reporter > > > > > > > > > > Karen DeYoung > > > > > > > > > > was told by military officials that the "plentiful, high > > > > > > > > > > quality > > > > > > > > > > weaponry" the militia was then using in Basra was "recently > > > > > > > > > > manufactured in Iran". > > > > > > > > > > > But a U.S. military task force had been passing on data > > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > Multi-National Force Iraq (MNFI) command that told a very > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > story. The data collected by the task force in the previous > > > > > > > > > > six weeks > > > > > > > > > > showed that relatively few of the weapons found in Shi'a > > > > > > > > > > militia > > > > > > > > > > caches were manufactured in Iran. > > > > > > > > > > > According to the data compiled by the task force, and > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > available to an academic research project last July, only > > > > > > > > > > 70 weapons > > > > > > > > > > believed to have been manufactured in Iran had been found > > > > > > > > > > in post- > > > > > > > > > > invasion weapons caches between mid-February and the second > > > > > > > > > > week in > > > > > > > > > > April. And those weapons represented only 17 percent of the > > > > > > > > > > weapons > > > > > > > > > > found in caches that had any Iranian weapons in them during > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > period. > > > > > > > > > > > The actual proportion of Iranian-made weapons to total > > > > > > > > > > weapons > > > > > > > > > > found, however, was significantly lower than that, because > > > > > > > > > > the task > > > > > > > > > > force was finding many more weapons caches in Shi'a areas > > > > > > > > > > that did > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > have any Iranian weapons in them. > > > > > > > > > > > The task force database identified 98 caches over the > > > > > > > > > > five-month > > > > > > > > > > period with at least one Iranian weapon, excluding caches > > > > > > > > > > believed to > > > > > > > > > > have been hidden prior to the 2003 U.S. invasion. > > > > > > > > > > > But according to an e-mail from the MNFI press desk > > > > > > > > > > this week, > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > task force found and analysed a total of roughly 4,600 > > > > > > > > > > weapons caches > > > > > > > > > > during that same period. > > > > > > > > > > > The caches that included Iranian weapons thus > > > > > > > > > > represented just 2 > > > > > > > > > > percent of all caches found. That means Iranian-made > > > > > > > > > > weapons were a > > > > > > > > > > fraction of one percent of the total weapons found in Shi'a > > > > > > > > > > militia > > > > > > > > > > caches during that period. > > > > > > > > > > > The extremely small proportion of Iranian arms in Shi'a > > > > > > > > > > militia > > > > > > > > > > weapons caches further suggests that Shi'a militia fighters > > > > > > > > > > in Iraq > > > > > > > > > > had been getting weapons from local and international arms > > > > > > > > > > markets > > > > > > > > > > rather than from an official Iranian-sponsored smuggling > > > > > > > > > > network. > > > > > > > > > > > The database was compiled by MNFI's Task Force Troy, > > > > > > > > > > which was > > > > > > > > > > directed to examine all weapons caches found in Iraq > > > > > > > > > > beginning in > > > > > > > > > > early January 2008 to identify Iranian-made weapons. The > > > > > > > > > > database was > > > > > > > > > > released by MNFI last July to the Empirical Studies of > > > > > > > > > > Conflict > > > > > > > > > > project, co-sponsored by the U.S. Military Academy and > > > > > > > > > > Princeton > > > > > > > > > > University, and was published for the first time by West > > > > > > > > > > Point's > > > > > > > > > > Counter-Terrorism Centre last month as an appendix to a > > > > > > > > > > paper on > > > > > > > > > > Iranian strategy in Iraq by Joseph Felter and Brian Fishman. > > > > > > > > > > > In late April, the U.S. presented the Maliki government > > > > > > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > > > document that > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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