If pedigree matters in dogs why does it not matter in humans? On Dec 29, 10:09 pm, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > As a Southerner, I am fully aware of Lincoln's failures and > shortcomings. However, you seem to have missed the point of my > message, which was that someone can come from no where and still > inspire people and be a leader, and be considered one of the greatest > Presidents in history (whether I personally agree with that assessment > or not... it's just one example, there are many others.) Pedigree > isn't everything, and Bush's failures should show you that loud and > clear. > > On Dec 29, 10:50 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I thought you might be referring to HST. You left out several of > > Lincoln's set-backs/failures. Including the Civil War. > > > On Dec 29, 7:06 am, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Let's apply your standards to another president, shall we? This time, > > > rather than the complete failure Bush, we will apply your criteria to > > > someone who is considered (by some anyway) to be one of our greatest > > > presidents: > > > > "One of my favorite lessons in the world of overcoming failures and > > > understanding the value of persistence is what can be learned from > > > looking at the life of Abraham Lincoln. Born into poverty, Mr. Lincoln > > > was faced with defeat throughout most of his life. He twice failed in > > > business, lost eight different elections and suffered a nervous > > > breakdown. The following bullet points represent Lincoln’s path to the > > > White House: > > > > 1816: Lincoln’s family lost their home and he had to quit school to > > > support them. > > > 1818: His mother passed away. > > > 1831: He failed in business. > > > 1832: He ran for state legislature and lost, also lost his job, and > > > while he wanted to go to law school he couldn’t get in. > > > 1833: He borrowed money to start a new business and was bankrupt by > > > the end of the year. He spent the next 17 years paying off the debt. > > > 1834: He ran for state legislature again and this time he won. > > > 1835: He was engaged to be married and his fiance died. > > > 1836: Mr. Lincoln suffered a total nervous breakdown and spent six > > > months in bed. > > > 1838: He sought to become speaker of the state legislature and was > > > again defeated. > > > 1840: He sought to become elector and was defeated. > > > 1843: Lincoln ran for Congress and lost. > > > 1846: He ran for Congress again and this time he won. > > > 1848: Lincoln lost his re-election race for Congress. > > > 1849: He sought the position of land officer in his home state and was > > > turned down. > > > 1854: Lincoln ran for the US Senate and lost. > > > 1856: He sought the Vice-Presidential nomination and lost receiving > > > less than 100 votes. > > > 1858: He ran yet again for the US Senate and lost. > > > 1860: Abraham Lincoln was elected President of the United States. " > > > >http://www.n2growth.com/blog/fear-failure-risk-and-success > > > > It just goes to show that bloodline means nothing, and even a big > > > "nobody" can be influential and successful. Your comment about Obama > > > being a nobody in comparison to Bush's political legacy suggests you > > > might be happier under a monarch rather than a democracy. > > > By the way, how do you feel about Caroline Kennedy seeking a senate > > > seat? After all, her family has had a political presence, so she must > > > be qualified, right? > > > > On Dec 28, 10:10 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > What bloodline? You mean someone who never built a company? Had > > > > executive experience? Served in the military? Didn't use the System? > > > > Gravitate to Illinois? Dangerous friends and ministers? > > > > > On Dec 28, 8:52 pm, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Isn't that what America is all about... letting the people pick their > > > > > leader rather than allowing bloodline to determine it? I believe > > > > > that's one of the reasons we split from England. Ain't it great? > > > > > > On Dec 28, 9:48 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > At least the Bush family existed in American politics. Obama is the > > > > > > biggest nobody to become a somebody since Jesus Christ. > > > > > > > On Dec 28, 8:27 pm, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >http://www.goodnightbush.com/-Hidequotedtext- > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
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