It seems that you overlooked this one small point. Do you think Hamas did NOT realize that offensive action would be taken when the Israelis were fired on ?? They knew. They did not care.
Mike, if you shoot at me from your family room and it is full of peole... I'm shooting back. Where the confrontation takes place is your choice and the results (based on location) on your head. Israeli PM Olmert said Hamas militants had fired at Israeli troops from the location. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said the military fired artillery shells at the U.N. compound after Hamas militants opened fire from the location. Three people were wounded. On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:18 AM, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> wrote: > > Israeli Forces Shell UN Headquarters in Gaza > http://www.truthout.org/011509C > Ibrahim Barzak and Amy Teibel, The Associated Press: "Israeli forces > shelled the United Nations headquarters in the Gaza Strip on > Thursday, > setting fire to the compound filled with hundreds of refugees as U.N. > chief Ban Ki-moon was in the region on a mission to end Israel's > devastating offensive against the territory's Hamas rulers." > > > On Jan 17, 10:15 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> What proof do you have of that Mike?? >> >> The crime being committed is the use of non-combatants as fodder. >> >> There is no proof Israel has used a single illegal weapon, targeted a >> single spot without proof a combatant was there, or prosecuted the war >> with unnecessary force. >> >> Yet Hamas demands unfettered access to Israel as one of their demands. >> Hell, it takes a passport to enter canada and mexico now.... no one >> gets unfettered access to anyone elses country. Talk about unreal and >> knowing it !! >> >> On 1/17/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > not one word of that has anything to do the Jews committing war >> > crimes ! >> >> > On Jan 17, 9:46 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > Margareth, >> >> > > Being nice did not work. The Moslem fanatics can not allow it to work. >> > > It is absolutely counter to their goals and hoped for control of every >> > > aspect of the lives of every Moslem to allow it to do so. >> >> > > Just imagine what would happen to their doctrine if rule of >> > > non-secular law were to function in the very heart of their >> > > territories. >> >> > > On 1/17/09, margareth <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > If you check the map of Palestine, and Gaza, it would be useful if you >> > > > remember that the country is smaller than most North American >> > > > counties, and holds 1.4 million residents. Of course they are aiming >> > > > at civilian targets.... it would be hard to miss them. Having said >> > > > that, the Israelis are their own worst enemies in this situation, The >> > > > destruction of Gaza and all the people in it is the most likely result >> > > > if they persist with the bombs, etc. It is the Israelis who seem to >> > > > have a surplus of armaments for this purpose. Just who is likely to >> > > > profit from this war? >> >> > > > On Jan 17, 3:16 am, "liberal mike532 !" <[email protected]> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > can you dispute an of the points i have made with facts? >> >> > > > > On Jan 16, 3:49 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > That is just NOT true, It is very unlike you. >> >> > > > > > That's kinda funny, actually. I think this is very much like Mike, >> > > > > > who >> > > > > > will exaggerate, embellish or fabricate whatever is required to >> > > > > > make >> > > > > > his point. >> >> > > > > > On Jan 16, 1:45 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > That is just NOT true, It is very unlike you. >> >> > > > > > > The phosphorous is allowed as an obscurant. There has been no >> > > > > > > proof of >> > > > > > > TARGETING civilians. If the UN (my ex boss) does not want its >> > > > > > > camps >> > > > > > > hit then they need to keep them free of combatants (it is one of >> > > > > > > their >> > > > > > > responsibilities). >> >> > > > > > > It is completely legal to target combatants regardless of where >> > > > > > > they >> > > > > > > set up camp. This includes day care centers and schools and >> > > > > > > hospitals >> > > > > > > and nursing homes. >> >> > > > > > > On 1/16/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > the Jews have been using white phoperous on civilians which is >> > > > > > > > a war >> > > > > > > > crime and have been targeting civilians not to mention a UN >> > > > > > > > refuge >> > > > > > > > camp . >> >> > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 11:36 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> >> > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > No, Mike, they are not. They have not used a single banned >> > > > > > > > > weapon or >> > > > > > > > > tactic. >> >> > > > > > > > > They have not targeted a single location that did not have >> > > > > > > > > combatants. >> >> > > > > > > > > There is no proof to the contrary. This can NOT be said for >> > > > > > > > > Hamas or >> > > > > > > > > the Gazan people. >> >> > > > > > > > > The fact that women and children are in the locations where >> > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > Palestinian combatants set up shop speaks to the value they >> > > > > > > > > place on >> > > > > > > > > their own people. It also shows the non-combatants basic >> > > > > > > > > intelligence >> > > > > > > > > for staying with their women and children (or actually >> > > > > > > > > bringing them >> > > > > > > > > to a site) when offensive or defensive posts are placed in >> > > > > > > > > their >> > > > > > > > > midst. >> >> > > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 9:54 am, "liberal mike532 !" >> > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> >> > > > > > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > why would i care what hamas's Ideology is ? >> > > > > > > > > > it is the Jew's who are committing war crimes ! >> >> > > > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 9:59 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > > The Ideological Era that anyone who oppose Western >> > > > > > > > > > > Imperialism had to >> > > > > > > > > > > be better is over... Even your Italian brethren sees >> > > > > > > > > > > the error of >> > > > > > > > > > > this logic now... I will suggest that the Left in this >> > > > > > > > > > > Country ALSO >> > > > > > > > > > > crossed the line in uncivil and hateful speech over and >> > > > > > > > > > > over the last >> > > > > > > > > > > 8 years... In the end, their Ideology and Urban Myth >> > > > > > > > > > > history will >> > > > > > > > > > > also be rejected... >> >> > > > > > > > > > >http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/01/italian-parliamentarians-ra... >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> This is an episode of the attack agains the western >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> world, and Iran has a lot to do with it. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > The change of attitude is great: the dictatorial >> > > > > > > > > > > religious nature of >> > > > > > > > > > > Hamas and the democratic, civilized nature of Israel are >> > > > > > > > > > > seen face to >> > > > > > > > > > > face for what they are at least by the European elite at >> > > > > > > > > > > large, dead >> > > > > > > > > > > and wounded notwithstanding, and there rises an >> > > > > > > > > > > identification with >> > > > > > > > > > > Israel against a regime that uses human shields and >> > > > > > > > > > > promises >> > > > > > > > > > > slaughters of Jews in its charter. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > What happens today, at least in Italy, is the defeat and >> > > > > > > > > > > fall of the >> > > > > > > > > > > leftist ideologies: ideology has been the fig leaf that >> > > > > > > > > > > has allowed to >> > > > > > > > > > > justify all the most violent crimes and most disgusting >> > > > > > > > > > > verbal >> > > > > > > > > > > attacks. If Arafat launched the terrorist Intifada, if >> > > > > > > > > > > he promoted the >> > > > > > > > > > > martyrdom of children in public speeches, the >> > > > > > > > > > > ideologists were ready >> > > > > > > > > > > to justify him with the issues of occupation, the >> > > > > > > > > > > Palestinian misery >> > > > > > > > > > > and loss of any hope. Not the same with Hamas. History, >> > > > > > > > > > > in Italy, has >> > > > > > > > > > > brought to a profound crisis the ideology of revolution >> > > > > > > > > > > and the >> > > > > > > > > > > justification of any cruel attack against a pretended >> > > > > > > > > > > unjust >> > > > > > > > > > > imperialist order. That time is in good part over, >> > > > > > > > > > > nobody will see >> > > > > > > > > > > Hamas as the resolution of the problem and not as the >> > > > > > > > > > > problem itself. >> > > > > > > > > > > I also think that the word "peace" has lost that healing >> > > > > > > > > > > meaning that >> > > > > > > > > > > it had until yesterday. The new non-ideological point of >> > > > > > > > > > > view sees >> > > > > > > > > > > that there is no peace when one of the contenders >> > > > > > > > > > > doesn't want it, and >> > > > > > > > > > > that even if the world in the short run asks for a >> > > > > > > > > > > truce, in the long >> > > > > > > > > > > run requests a defeat of Hamas. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Well, yesterday night many people, Ministers and Members >> > > > > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > > > Parliament, composed a very new, interesting puzzle of >> > > > > > > > > > > opinions. I >> > > > > > > > > > > think that when you are not overwhelmed by exotic >> > > > > > > > > > > thirdworldism, the >> > > > > > > > > > > images of children educated as hate machines, the >> > > > > > > > > > > speeches of jihad >> > > > > > > > > > > leaders, from Ahmadinejad to Nasrallah, to Hanje, that >> > > > > > > > > > > deny the >> > > > > > > > > > > holocaust and promise death to Jewish and Christians >> > > > > > > > > > > too, have on us a >> > > > > > > > > > > result of great disgust. Westerners, thanks God, can >> > > > > > > > > > > still be >> > > > > > > > > > > disgusted by an uncivilized level of political speech.- >> > > > > > > > > > > Hide quoted text - >> >> > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > Mark M. Kahle >> > > > > > > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the >> > > > > > > difference.... Me- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > > -- >> > > Mark M. Kahle >> > > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference.... Me- >> > > Hide quoted text - >> >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> -- >> Mark M. Kahle >> Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference.... Me- Hide >> quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference.... Me --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
