Do you think Hamas did NOT realize that offensive action would be > taken when the Israelis were fired on ?? that has nothing to do with the fact that the Jews are committing war crimes ! nothing can justifie commiting war crimes nothing ! On Jan 17, 12:35 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > It seems that you overlooked this one small point. > > Do you think Hamas did NOT realize that offensive action would be > taken when the Israelis were fired on ?? They knew. They did not care. > > Mike, if you shoot at me from your family room and it is full of > peole... I'm shooting back. Where the confrontation takes place is > your choice and the results (based on location) on your head. > > Israeli PM Olmert said Hamas militants had fired at Israeli troops > from the location. > > Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said the military fired artillery > shells at the U.N. compound after Hamas militants opened fire from the > location. Three people were wounded. > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:18 AM, liberal mike532 ! > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Israeli Forces Shell UN Headquarters in Gaza > >http://www.truthout.org/011509C > > Ibrahim Barzak and Amy Teibel, The Associated Press: "Israeli forces > > shelled the United Nations headquarters in the Gaza Strip on > > Thursday, > > setting fire to the compound filled with hundreds of refugees as U.N. > > chief Ban Ki-moon was in the region on a mission to end Israel's > > devastating offensive against the territory's Hamas rulers." > > > On Jan 17, 10:15 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What proof do you have of that Mike?? > > >> The crime being committed is the use of non-combatants as fodder. > > >> There is no proof Israel has used a single illegal weapon, targeted a > >> single spot without proof a combatant was there, or prosecuted the war > >> with unnecessary force. > > >> Yet Hamas demands unfettered access to Israel as one of their demands. > >> Hell, it takes a passport to enter canada and mexico now.... no one > >> gets unfettered access to anyone elses country. Talk about unreal and > >> knowing it !! > > >> On 1/17/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > not one word of that has anything to do the Jews committing war > >> > crimes ! > > >> > On Jan 17, 9:46 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > Margareth, > > >> > > Being nice did not work. The Moslem fanatics can not allow it to work. > >> > > It is absolutely counter to their goals and hoped for control of every > >> > > aspect of the lives of every Moslem to allow it to do so. > > >> > > Just imagine what would happen to their doctrine if rule of > >> > > non-secular law were to function in the very heart of their > >> > > territories. > > >> > > On 1/17/09, margareth <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > If you check the map of Palestine, and Gaza, it would be useful if > >> > > > you > >> > > > remember that the country is smaller than most North American > >> > > > counties, and holds 1.4 million residents. Of course they are aiming > >> > > > at civilian targets.... it would be hard to miss them. Having said > >> > > > that, the Israelis are their own worst enemies in this situation, > >> > > > The > >> > > > destruction of Gaza and all the people in it is the most likely > >> > > > result > >> > > > if they persist with the bombs, etc. It is the Israelis who seem to > >> > > > have a surplus of armaments for this purpose. Just who is likely to > >> > > > profit from this war? > > >> > > > On Jan 17, 3:16 am, "liberal mike532 !" <[email protected]> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > can you dispute an of the points i have made with facts? > > >> > > > > On Jan 16, 3:49 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > That is just NOT true, It is very unlike you. > > >> > > > > > That's kinda funny, actually. I think this is very much like > >> > > > > > Mike, who > >> > > > > > will exaggerate, embellish or fabricate whatever is required to > >> > > > > > make > >> > > > > > his point. > > >> > > > > > On Jan 16, 1:45 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > That is just NOT true, It is very unlike you. > > >> > > > > > > The phosphorous is allowed as an obscurant. There has been no > >> > > > > > > proof of > >> > > > > > > TARGETING civilians. If the UN (my ex boss) does not want its > >> > > > > > > camps > >> > > > > > > hit then they need to keep them free of combatants (it is one > >> > > > > > > of their > >> > > > > > > responsibilities). > > >> > > > > > > It is completely legal to target combatants regardless of > >> > > > > > > where they > >> > > > > > > set up camp. This includes day care centers and schools and > >> > > > > > > hospitals > >> > > > > > > and nursing homes. > > >> > > > > > > On 1/16/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > the Jews have been using white phoperous on civilians which > >> > > > > > > > is a war > >> > > > > > > > crime and have been targeting civilians not to mention a UN > >> > > > > > > > refuge > >> > > > > > > > camp . > > >> > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 11:36 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE > >> > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > No, Mike, they are not. They have not used a single banned > >> > > > > > > > > weapon or > >> > > > > > > > > tactic. > > >> > > > > > > > > They have not targeted a single location that did not have > >> > > > > > > > > combatants. > > >> > > > > > > > > There is no proof to the contrary. This can NOT be said > >> > > > > > > > > for Hamas or > >> > > > > > > > > the Gazan people. > > >> > > > > > > > > The fact that women and children are in the locations > >> > > > > > > > > where the > >> > > > > > > > > Palestinian combatants set up shop speaks to the value > >> > > > > > > > > they place on > >> > > > > > > > > their own people. It also shows the non-combatants basic > >> > > > > > > > > intelligence > >> > > > > > > > > for staying with their women and children (or actually > >> > > > > > > > > bringing them > >> > > > > > > > > to a site) when offensive or defensive posts are placed in > >> > > > > > > > > their > >> > > > > > > > > midst. > > >> > > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 9:54 am, "liberal mike532 !" > >> > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > why would i care what hamas's Ideology is ? > >> > > > > > > > > > it is the Jew's who are committing war crimes ! > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 9:59 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The Ideological Era that anyone who oppose Western > >> > > > > > > > > > > Imperialism had to > >> > > > > > > > > > > be better is over... Even your Italian brethren sees > >> > > > > > > > > > > the error of > >> > > > > > > > > > > this logic now... I will suggest that the Left in > >> > > > > > > > > > > this Country ALSO > >> > > > > > > > > > > crossed the line in uncivil and hateful speech over > >> > > > > > > > > > > and over the last > >> > > > > > > > > > > 8 years... In the end, their Ideology and Urban Myth > >> > > > > > > > > > > history will > >> > > > > > > > > > > also be rejected... > > >> > > > > > > > > > >http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/01/italian-parliamentarians-ra... > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> This is an episode of the attack agains the > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> western world, and Iran has a lot to do with it. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The change of attitude is great: the dictatorial > >> > > > > > > > > > > religious nature of > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hamas and the democratic, civilized nature of Israel > >> > > > > > > > > > > are seen face to > >> > > > > > > > > > > face for what they are at least by the European elite > >> > > > > > > > > > > at large, dead > >> > > > > > > > > > > and wounded notwithstanding, and there rises an > >> > > > > > > > > > > identification with > >> > > > > > > > > > > Israel against a regime that uses human shields and > >> > > > > > > > > > > promises > >> > > > > > > > > > > slaughters of Jews in its charter. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > What happens today, at least in Italy, is the defeat > >> > > > > > > > > > > and fall of the > >> > > > > > > > > > > leftist ideologies: ideology has been the fig leaf > >> > > > > > > > > > > that has allowed to > >> > > > > > > > > > > justify all the most violent crimes and most > >> > > > > > > > > > > disgusting verbal > >> > > > > > > > > > > attacks. If Arafat launched the terrorist Intifada, if > >> > > > > > > > > > > he promoted the > >> > > > > > > > > > > martyrdom of children in public speeches, the > >> > > > > > > > > > > ideologists were ready > >> > > > > > > > > > > to justify him with the issues of occupation, the > >> > > > > > > > > > > Palestinian misery > >> > > > > > > > > > > and loss of any hope. Not the same with Hamas. > >> > > > > > > > > > > History, in Italy, has > >> > > > > > > > > > > brought to a profound crisis the ideology of > >> > > > > > > > > > > revolution and the > >> > > > > > > > > > > justification of any cruel attack against a pretended > >> > > > > > > > > > > unjust > >> > > > > > > > > > > imperialist order. That time is in good part over, > >> > > > > > > > > > > nobody will see > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hamas as the resolution of the problem and not as the > >> > > > > > > > > > > problem itself. > >> > > > > > > > > > > I also think that the word "peace" has lost that > >> > > > > > > > > > > healing meaning that > >> > > > > > > > > > > it had until yesterday. The new non-ideological point > >> > > > > > > > > > > of view sees > >> > > > > > > > > > > that there is no peace when one of the contenders > >> > > > > > > > > > > doesn't want it, and > >> > > > > > > > > > > that even if the world in the short run asks for a > >> > > > > > > > > > > truce, in the long > >> > > > > > > > > > > run requests a defeat of Hamas. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Well, yesterday night many people, Ministers and > >> > > > > > > > > > > Members of > >> > > > > > > > > > > Parliament, composed a very new, interesting puzzle of > >> > > > > > > > > > > opinions. I > >> > > > > > > > > > > think that when you are not overwhelmed by exotic > >> > > > > > > > > > > thirdworldism, the > >> > > > > > > > > > > images of children educated as hate machines, the > >> > > > > > > > > > > speeches of jihad > >> > > > > > > > > > > leaders, from Ahmadinejad to Nasrallah, to Hanje, that > >> > > > > > > > > > > deny the > >> > > > > > > > > > > holocaust and promise death to Jewish and Christians > >> > > > > > > > > > > too, have on us a > >> > > > > > > > > > > result of great disgust. Westerners, thanks God, can > >> > > > > > > > > > > still be > >> > > > > > > > > > > disgusted by an uncivilized level of political > >> > > > > > > > > > > speech.- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > >> > > > > > > -- > >> > > > > > > Mark M. Kahle > >> > > > > > > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the > >> > > > > > > difference.... Me- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > > > - Show quoted text - > > >> > > -- > >> > > Mark M. Kahle > >> > > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference.... Me- > >> > > Hide quoted text - > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > >> -- > >> Mark M. Kahle > >> Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
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