Show me the quotes from the convention. Then we will continue on a fact only basis.
On 1/18/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> wrote: > > what the israelites are doing is covered in the Geneva convention > under war crimes . > > On Jan 18, 10:24 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > No, Mike. War crimes and that which makes them so is carefully defined > > in the covenants. Nothing you are proffering meets the requirements. > > > > I am not justifying anything. I am saying your logic is flawed and > > that it is NOT supported by fact. > > > > By using the acts of Hamas I am pointing out things that DO qualify as > > war crimes. It is, for me, an arguement over legalities. > > confrontations like these have no good and bad, just bad and worse. > > legal definitions do NOT contain or allow room for emotions. I suggest > > you check yours at the door and take another look. > > > > On 1/18/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > the one small detail as you call it is that they are committing war > > > crimes ! > > > and you are trying to justify the indefensible by saying but the > > > Palestinians are bad people too . so fucking what ? they are all bad > > > people people and the war crimes are still being committed ! > > > On Jan 17, 4:14 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Mike, on this issue you are NO different than Gaar. you are paying > > > > attention to one SMALL but not insignificant part of the story and > > > > considering that which sticks in your craw as the ONLY point of view. > > > > > > Phosphorous is legal. Bombing a house where there are combatants is > > > > NOT a crime. Throwing a grenade into your living room is illegal > > > > EXCEPT when an overt threat is directed at me.... it does NOT MATTER > > > > who is there with you. There were shots fired from the UN compound > > > > (not the first time, I have seen it in the Congo) The UN (my > > > > employers) were NOT allowed in the compound yet were (and are), > > > > responsible for those that enter and what is on their persons, they > > > > are trying to deny their responsibilities. To take action against > > > > shots from within or from nearby that compound is NOT a crime. To stop > > > > a boat from entering Israeli waters when that is its STATED and > > > > MANIFESTED purpose is NOT a crime. Israel gave notice to the > > > > international community and shipping about hours and places of > > > > admission... and have complied with that schedule.... the people on > > > > that boat CHOSE to ignore it, they could have been legally sunk. > > > > > > NEXT !!!!! > > > > > > By definition these are NOT in any sense of the word, war crimes. > > > > > > It is Hamas that is steadfastly refusing the cease fire and demanding > > > > unchecked admission to Israel. > > > > > > On 1/17/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > mark are you saying the Israelis have not used phosphorus or bombed > > > > > civilian houses ? oh and lets not forget about bombing the UN camp as > > > > > well as attacking ships in international waters . > > > > > each and every one of these things is a war crime as you well know and > > > > > nothing the palestinians do or did will justify the Jews committing > > > > > war crimes . > > > > > On Jan 17, 3:14 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > You have yet to point to one FACT confirming your position.... you > > > > > > are > > > > > > starting to sound just like Gaar. > > > > > > > > On 1/17/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Do you think Hamas did NOT realize that offensive action would be > > > > > > > > taken when the Israelis were fired on ?? > > > > > > > that has nothing to do with the fact that the Jews are committing > > > > > > > war > > > > > > > crimes ! nothing can justifie commiting war crimes nothing ! > > > > > > > On Jan 17, 12:35 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It seems that you overlooked this one small point. > > > > > > > > > > Do you think Hamas did NOT realize that offensive action would > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > taken when the Israelis were fired on ?? They knew. They did > > > > > > > > not care. > > > > > > > > > > Mike, if you shoot at me from your family room and it is full of > > > > > > > > peole... I'm shooting back. Where the confrontation takes place > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > your choice and the results (based on location) on your head. > > > > > > > > > > Israeli PM Olmert said Hamas militants had fired at Israeli > > > > > > > > troops > > > > > > > > from the location. > > > > > > > > > > Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said the military fired > > > > > > > > artillery > > > > > > > > shells at the U.N. compound after Hamas militants opened fire > > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > location. Three people were wounded. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:18 AM, liberal mike532 ! > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Israeli Forces Shell UN Headquarters in Gaza > > > > > > > > >http://www.truthout.org/011509C > > > > > > > > > Ibrahim Barzak and Amy Teibel, The Associated Press: "Israeli > > > > > > > > > forces > > > > > > > > > shelled the United Nations headquarters in the Gaza Strip on > > > > > > > > > Thursday, > > > > > > > > > setting fire to the compound filled with hundreds of refugees > > > > > > > > > as U.N. > > > > > > > > > chief Ban Ki-moon was in the region on a mission to end > > > > > > > > > Israel's > > > > > > > > > devastating offensive against the territory's Hamas rulers." > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 17, 10:15 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> What proof do you have of that Mike?? > > > > > > > > > > >> The crime being committed is the use of non-combatants as > > > > > > > > >> fodder. > > > > > > > > > > >> There is no proof Israel has used a single illegal weapon, > > > > > > > > >> targeted a > > > > > > > > >> single spot without proof a combatant was there, or > > > > > > > > >> prosecuted the war > > > > > > > > >> with unnecessary force. > > > > > > > > > > >> Yet Hamas demands unfettered access to Israel as one of > > > > > > > > >> their demands. > > > > > > > > >> Hell, it takes a passport to enter canada and mexico now.... > > > > > > > > >> no one > > > > > > > > >> gets unfettered access to anyone elses country. Talk about > > > > > > > > >> unreal and > > > > > > > > >> knowing it !! > > > > > > > > > > >> On 1/17/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > not one word of that has anything to do the Jews > > > > > > > > >> > committing war > > > > > > > > >> > crimes ! > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Jan 17, 9:46 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > Margareth, > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Being nice did not work. The Moslem fanatics can not > > > > > > > > >> > > allow it to work. > > > > > > > > >> > > It is absolutely counter to their goals and hoped for > > > > > > > > >> > > control of every > > > > > > > > >> > > aspect of the lives of every Moslem to allow it to do so. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Just imagine what would happen to their doctrine if rule > > > > > > > > >> > > of > > > > > > > > >> > > non-secular law were to function in the very heart of > > > > > > > > >> > > their > > > > > > > > >> > > territories. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On 1/17/09, margareth <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > If you check the map of Palestine, and Gaza, it would > > > > > > > > >> > > > be useful if you > > > > > > > > >> > > > remember that the country is smaller than most North > > > > > > > > >> > > > American > > > > > > > > >> > > > counties, and holds 1.4 million residents. Of course > > > > > > > > >> > > > they are aiming > > > > > > > > >> > > > at civilian targets.... it would be hard to miss them. > > > > > > > > >> > > > Having said > > > > > > > > >> > > > that, the Israelis are their own worst enemies in > > > > > > > > >> > > > this situation, The > > > > > > > > >> > > > destruction of Gaza and all the people in it is the > > > > > > > > >> > > > most likely result > > > > > > > > >> > > > if they persist with the bombs, etc. It is the > > > > > > > > >> > > > Israelis who seem to > > > > > > > > >> > > > have a surplus of armaments for this purpose. Just > > > > > > > > >> > > > who is likely to > > > > > > > > >> > > > profit from this war? > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Jan 17, 3:16 am, "liberal mike532 !" > > > > > > > > >> > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > >> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > can you dispute an of the points i have made with > > > > > > > > >> > > > > facts? > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > On Jan 16, 3:49 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > That is just NOT true, It is very unlike you. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > That's kinda funny, actually. I think this is very > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > much like Mike, who > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > will exaggerate, embellish or fabricate whatever > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > is required to make > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > his point. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Jan 16, 1:45 pm, Mark <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > That is just NOT true, It is very unlike you. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > The phosphorous is allowed as an obscurant. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > There has been no proof of > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > TARGETING civilians. If the UN (my ex boss) does > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > not want its camps > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > hit then they need to keep them free of > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > combatants (it is one of their > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > responsibilities). > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > It is completely legal to target combatants > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > regardless of where they > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > set up camp. This includes day care centers and > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > schools and hospitals > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > and nursing homes. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 1/16/09, liberal mike532 ! > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > the Jews have been using white phoperous on > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > civilians which is a war > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > crime and have been targeting civilians not to > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > mention a UN refuge > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > camp . > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 11:36 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > No, Mike, they are not. They have not used a > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > single banned weapon or > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > tactic. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > They have not targeted a single location > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > that did not have > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > combatants. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > There is no proof to the contrary. This can > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > NOT be said for Hamas or > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the Gazan people. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The fact that women and children are in the > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > locations where the > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Palestinian combatants set up shop speaks to > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the value they place on > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > their own people. It also shows the > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > non-combatants basic intelligence > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > for staying with their women and children > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > (or actually bringing them > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference.... Me --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
