mark are you saying the Israelis have not used phosphorus or bombed civilian houses ? oh and lets not forget about bombing the UN camp as well as attacking ships in international waters . each and every one of these things is a war crime as you well know and nothing the palestinians do or did will justify the Jews committing war crimes . On Jan 17, 3:14 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > You have yet to point to one FACT confirming your position.... you are > starting to sound just like Gaar. > > On 1/17/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Do you think Hamas did NOT realize that offensive action would be > > > taken when the Israelis were fired on ?? > > that has nothing to do with the fact that the Jews are committing war > > crimes ! nothing can justifie commiting war crimes nothing ! > > On Jan 17, 12:35 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It seems that you overlooked this one small point. > > > > Do you think Hamas did NOT realize that offensive action would be > > > taken when the Israelis were fired on ?? They knew. They did not care. > > > > Mike, if you shoot at me from your family room and it is full of > > > peole... I'm shooting back. Where the confrontation takes place is > > > your choice and the results (based on location) on your head. > > > > Israeli PM Olmert said Hamas militants had fired at Israeli troops > > > from the location. > > > > Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said the military fired artillery > > > shells at the U.N. compound after Hamas militants opened fire from the > > > location. Three people were wounded. > > > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:18 AM, liberal mike532 ! > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Israeli Forces Shell UN Headquarters in Gaza > > > >http://www.truthout.org/011509C > > > > Ibrahim Barzak and Amy Teibel, The Associated Press: "Israeli forces > > > > shelled the United Nations headquarters in the Gaza Strip on > > > > Thursday, > > > > setting fire to the compound filled with hundreds of refugees as U.N. > > > > chief Ban Ki-moon was in the region on a mission to end Israel's > > > > devastating offensive against the territory's Hamas rulers." > > > > > On Jan 17, 10:15 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> What proof do you have of that Mike?? > > > > >> The crime being committed is the use of non-combatants as fodder. > > > > >> There is no proof Israel has used a single illegal weapon, targeted a > > > >> single spot without proof a combatant was there, or prosecuted the war > > > >> with unnecessary force. > > > > >> Yet Hamas demands unfettered access to Israel as one of their demands. > > > >> Hell, it takes a passport to enter canada and mexico now.... no one > > > >> gets unfettered access to anyone elses country. Talk about unreal and > > > >> knowing it !! > > > > >> On 1/17/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > not one word of that has anything to do the Jews committing war > > > >> > crimes ! > > > > >> > On Jan 17, 9:46 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > Margareth, > > > > >> > > Being nice did not work. The Moslem fanatics can not allow it to > > > >> > > work. > > > >> > > It is absolutely counter to their goals and hoped for control of > > > >> > > every > > > >> > > aspect of the lives of every Moslem to allow it to do so. > > > > >> > > Just imagine what would happen to their doctrine if rule of > > > >> > > non-secular law were to function in the very heart of their > > > >> > > territories. > > > > >> > > On 1/17/09, margareth <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > If you check the map of Palestine, and Gaza, it would be useful > > > >> > > > if you > > > >> > > > remember that the country is smaller than most North American > > > >> > > > counties, and holds 1.4 million residents. Of course they are > > > >> > > > aiming > > > >> > > > at civilian targets.... it would be hard to miss them. Having > > > >> > > > said > > > >> > > > that, the Israelis are their own worst enemies in this > > > >> > > > situation, The > > > >> > > > destruction of Gaza and all the people in it is the most likely > > > >> > > > result > > > >> > > > if they persist with the bombs, etc. It is the Israelis who seem > > > >> > > > to > > > >> > > > have a surplus of armaments for this purpose. Just who is > > > >> > > > likely to > > > >> > > > profit from this war? > > > > >> > > > On Jan 17, 3:16 am, "liberal mike532 !" > > > >> > > > <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > can you dispute an of the points i have made with facts? > > > > >> > > > > On Jan 16, 3:49 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > That is just NOT true, It is very unlike you. > > > > >> > > > > > That's kinda funny, actually. I think this is very much like > > > >> > > > > > Mike, who > > > >> > > > > > will exaggerate, embellish or fabricate whatever is required > > > >> > > > > > to make > > > >> > > > > > his point. > > > > >> > > > > > On Jan 16, 1:45 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > That is just NOT true, It is very unlike you. > > > > >> > > > > > > The phosphorous is allowed as an obscurant. There has been > > > >> > > > > > > no proof of > > > >> > > > > > > TARGETING civilians. If the UN (my ex boss) does not want > > > >> > > > > > > its camps > > > >> > > > > > > hit then they need to keep them free of combatants (it is > > > >> > > > > > > one of their > > > >> > > > > > > responsibilities). > > > > >> > > > > > > It is completely legal to target combatants regardless of > > > >> > > > > > > where they > > > >> > > > > > > set up camp. This includes day care centers and schools > > > >> > > > > > > and hospitals > > > >> > > > > > > and nursing homes. > > > > >> > > > > > > On 1/16/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > the Jews have been using white phoperous on civilians > > > >> > > > > > > > which is a war > > > >> > > > > > > > crime and have been targeting civilians not to mention a > > > >> > > > > > > > UN refuge > > > >> > > > > > > > camp . > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 11:36 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE > > > >> > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > No, Mike, they are not. They have not used a single > > > >> > > > > > > > > banned weapon or > > > >> > > > > > > > > tactic. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > They have not targeted a single location that did not > > > >> > > > > > > > > have > > > >> > > > > > > > > combatants. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > There is no proof to the contrary. This can NOT be > > > >> > > > > > > > > said for Hamas or > > > >> > > > > > > > > the Gazan people. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The fact that women and children are in the locations > > > >> > > > > > > > > where the > > > >> > > > > > > > > Palestinian combatants set up shop speaks to the value > > > >> > > > > > > > > they place on > > > >> > > > > > > > > their own people. It also shows the non-combatants > > > >> > > > > > > > > basic intelligence > > > >> > > > > > > > > for staying with their women and children (or actually > > > >> > > > > > > > > bringing them > > > >> > > > > > > > > to a site) when offensive or defensive posts are > > > >> > > > > > > > > placed in their > > > >> > > > > > > > > midst. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 9:54 am, "liberal mike532 !" > > > >> > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > why would i care what hamas's Ideology is ? > > > >> > > > > > > > > > it is the Jew's who are committing war crimes ! > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 9:59 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The Ideological Era that anyone who oppose Western > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Imperialism had to > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > be better is over... Even your Italian brethren > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > sees the error of > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > this logic now... I will suggest that the Left in > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > this Country ALSO > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > crossed the line in uncivil and hateful speech > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > over and over the last > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 8 years... In the end, their Ideology and Urban > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Myth history will > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > also be rejected... > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/01/italian-parliamentarians-ra... > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> This is an episode of the attack agains the > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> western world, and Iran has a lot to do with > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> it. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The change of attitude is great: the dictatorial > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > religious nature of > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hamas and the democratic, civilized nature of > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Israel are seen face to > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > face for what they are at least by the European > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > elite at large, dead > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > and wounded notwithstanding, and there rises an > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > identification with > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Israel against a regime that uses human shields > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > and promises > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > slaughters of Jews in its charter. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > What happens today, at least in Italy, is the > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > defeat and fall of the > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > leftist ideologies: ideology has been the fig leaf > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > that has allowed to > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > justify all the most violent crimes and most > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > disgusting verbal > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > attacks. If Arafat launched the terrorist > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Intifada, if he promoted the > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > martyrdom of children in public speeches, the > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ideologists were ready > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > to justify him with the issues of occupation, the > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Palestinian misery > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > and loss of any hope. Not the same with Hamas. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > History, in Italy, has > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > brought to a profound crisis the ideology of > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > revolution and the > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > justification of any cruel attack against a > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > pretended unjust > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > imperialist order. That time is in good part over, > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > nobody will see > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hamas as the resolution of the problem and not as > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > the problem itself. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I also think that the word "peace" has lost that > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > healing meaning that > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > it had until yesterday. The new non-ideological > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > point of view sees > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > that there is no peace when one of the contenders > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > doesn't want it, and > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > that even if the world in the short run asks for a > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > truce, in the long > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > run requests a defeat of Hamas. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Well, yesterday night many people, Ministers and > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Members of > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Parliament, composed a very new, interesting > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > puzzle of opinions. I > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > think that when you are not overwhelmed by exotic > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > thirdworldism, the > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > images of children educated as hate machines, the > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > speeches of jihad > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
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