Another Brownshirt tactic, when wrong CHANGE the subject... Let me post a lengthy description on how Franken wants to count some votes twice... As I said, you are seeking to support counting one vote twice... HOW VERY undemocratic... All honest folks should be opposed instead of just seeking to change the subject... But you are not honest on this issue...
http://www.politicsinminnesota.com/2008/dec18/1471/demystify-double-votes-ponder-perch >>> Question: How many double votes are there? Answer: You can see for yourself in this this document and this document. At this point, it looks like there are 134 double votes. As anyone watching the vote totals today knows, as the votes dwindle for Coleman and increase for Al Franken, 134 double votes could be a very big deal -- if not THE deal -- in deciding the election. Question: Back to fish ... where's the perch? Answer: The perch are the unmarked double votes thrown back into the "lake" of paper ballots. As Trimble noted, you catch a perch, you take it off the line, and you throw it back into the lake, where you can never find that exact perch because it looks like a ton of other perch. Identifying these perch ballots are one of the problems, but a larger problem is whether to worry about the double votes in the first place. Question: The Franken campaign says this issue has been resolved because both campaigns agreed on a process to count the double votes before the recount began. True? Answer: Yes, the two campaigns agreed on a process. However, the Coleman campaign says it agreed to the statue cited above, which includes the idea that the duplicate ballots are counted "in lieu of" of the original (damaged ballot). Question: So, if the Franken campaign wants the double votes counted, does that mean they think some voters deserved to get two votes? Answer: It would certainly seem so. Marc Elias, the lead attorney for Franken, has conveniently avoided the "one voter gets two votes" question by arguing process instead (doing what any good lawyer does when the facts aren't in your favor). But, when all is said and done, one man, one vote is a cornerstone of our democracy. Question: The Franken campaign is saying that the Coleman campaign is raising the double votes issue now because the campaign is in a panic. True? Answer: That would certainly seem to be true today, when the vote totals are so dramatically changing and running in Franken's favor. However, it's not true if you think about the State Canvassing Board as a judicial/administrative proceeding, which it is. A key part of any judicial/administrative system is that you can't raise an issue until it actually matters. In legalese, the issue has to be "ripe." Given that these 134 double votes now may matter, the issue is now ripe. Question: What happens now? Answer: That's unclear. The State Canvassing Board has talked about the issue and had both campaigns make arguments before it on the issue. Two of the members of the board (Chief Justice Eric Magnuson and Justice Barry Anderson) said they believed there were double votes. The board is unclear about whether it has the authority to resolve the issue. If these votes are the difference in who wins, you can bet there will be litigation. Question: What's the most troubling thing about the double votes? Answer: Have you ever even contemplated trying to catch the same perch twice? Didn't think so. Probably can't be done. On Feb 3, 12:57 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > Ah, so the guy who charges the FL election committee, the FL Secretary > of State, the FL Supreme Court and the US Supreme Court all 'stole' an > election now has all the faith in the world that an election committee > and the MN Secretary of State isn't stealing an election. You're > nothing if not consistent and entertaining. > > “In other cases, the board has been flagrantly inconsistent. Last > month, Mr. Franken's campaign charged that one Hennepin County > (Minneapolis) precinct had "lost" 133 votes, since the hand recount > showed fewer ballots than machine votes recorded on Election Night. > Though there is no proof to this missing vote charge -- officials may > have accidentally run the ballots through the machine twice on > Election Night -- the Canvassing Board chose to go with the Election > Night total, rather than the actual number of ballots in the recount. > That decision gave Mr. Franken a gain of 46 votes. Meanwhile, a Ramsey > County precinct ended up with 177 more ballots than there were > recorded votes on Election Night. In that case, the board decided to > go with the extra ballots, rather than the Election Night total, even > though the county is now showing more ballots than voters in the > precinct. This gave Mr. Franken a net gain of 37 votes, which means > he's benefited both ways from the board's inconsistency.” > > Gee, I wonder if HBO will produce a feature length movie on the > stealing of the MN Senate Race. > > On Feb 3, 12:07 pm, "liberal mike532 !" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > lady if YOU had bothered to follow the election you would know that > > there wasn't any double voting as certified by the election > > committee . now if you have proof of your claims other than rumors > > started by coleman and the fox channel please post them > > > On Feb 3, 9:42 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > If a precinct has 100 voters and they have 122 ballots which the > > > Democrats insist on counting, there are 22 voters who voter twice... > > > And that is what has happened in Minnesota... If you had followed > > > the recount closely, YOW WOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS... But instead you > > > call others names because pesky facts insist you extreme partisan > > > positions are taken for party loyality rather than truth or honest > > > debate... > > > > On Feb 3, 4:58 am, "liberal mike532 !" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > sunshine you are full of shit post the proof that minnesota allowed > > > > double voting ! > > > > > On Feb 2, 9:12 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > You demand perfection from your opponents and excuse imperfection in > > > > > your friends -- typical... But for one who POV was willing to > > > > > PERFECTLY willing to allow Saddam and family to remain in power, you > > > > > claim democracy in Iraqi isn't because of glitches in voting... FYI, > > > > > it is NOT that glitches exist, but how the system handles them... In > > > > > Minnesota they allowed double voting, which I think is wrong... Have > > > > > a problem??? Ask why the Democrats in Minnestoa allow double > > > > > voting... > > > > > > On Feb 2, 7:57 am, "liberal mike532 !" <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Calm Iraqi Election Marred as Thousands Were Denied > > > > > > Votehttp://www.truthout.org/020109C > > > > > > Leila Fadel, McClatchy Newspapers: "Iraqis cast ballots in 14 of the > > > > > > country's 18 provinces Saturday, selecting among 14,500 candidates > > > > > > for > > > > > > 440 seats on new provincial councils. The day was free of election- > > > > > > related violence, but thousands of Iraqis were unable to vote > > > > > > because > > > > > > their names were inexplicably missing from voter lists. Some > > > > > > confused > > > > > > Iraqis even wandered neighborhoods looking for a polling place that > > > > > > would accept their vote."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
