LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I will admit he is a Methodist but nothing else. CW
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hollywood" <[email protected]> To: "PoliticalForum" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 03:19 Subject: Re: Beware of Your GPS Cold, Great. Next thing you know you guys will be claiming he wasn't even a Republican. On May 16, 9:38 am, Cold Water <[email protected]> wrote: > Absolutely!!! We need to put to rest once and for all the notion that Bush > is a conservative. This lame Bush business comes up when liberals run out > of BS and frankly I am sick to death of it. > > CW > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith In Tampa > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:03 > Subject: Re: Beware of Your GPS > > Others that were opposed, specifically to the eavesdropping and security > of our borders as well as the bailout monies, were Charles Krauthammer, > Pat Buchanan, Peggy Noonan, Neal Boortz, Keith In Tampa, Bruce Majors, > Cold Water, Dick Thompson, the list is endless!!! > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Bruce's reference to the millions of Americans who came out to support Ron > Paul, as well as those individuals who were quite vocal against Bush's > support of the electronic eavesdropping measures, the failure to secure > our borders, and the bailout monies as well as a host of other issues that > Bush supported, (and Bruce cited Ed Crane and Judge Napotialano (sic)) are > just a few of the people, that Bruce accurately and factually cited. > > Bruce failed to mention Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, the CATO Institute as > a whole, the list is tremendous of Americans who were opposed to a number > of Bush's proposals and plans. > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Hollywood <[email protected]> > wrote: > > KIT, > > Problem here is that Bruce did not state any facts. He gave us his > personal opinions. > Don't be such a sore loser, it's not an attractive characteristic. > > On May 16, 8:41 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > Holly, > > > I think Young Bruce pretty much very accurately summed up the facts, > > which I > > know can be troubling for moderate Democrats such as yourself, and just > > outright painful to far left extremists such as Sugarshack and others!!! > > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Hollywood > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > KIT, > > > > I thiought you wanted to stop "beating this dead horse"?????? > > > Make up your mind, I'll play this game anyway you want to. > > > > On May 16, 8:20 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Holly, > > > > > When I referenced "most conservatives", (without going back and > > > > looking > > > at > > > > exactly what I wrote) I think I said, "most conservatives that I > > > > know". > > > > Obviously, most of the conservatives that I know, (who are the > > > > majority > > > in > > > > this Nation) are not in the Congress. > > > > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Hollywood > > > > <[email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > You keep saying "more conservatives" as if there was a significant > > > > > number but they just couldn't QUITE barely muster the votes to > > > > > defeat > > > > > the bill. So, I repeat once more. How many actually voted against > > > > > this > > > > > legislation? Was it 20, 10, one, HOW MANY "outraged conservatives > > > > > voted nay on this piece of legislation? > > > > > > Fine, I'll stop "whipping this dead horse" as you choose to call > > > > > it. > > > > > But YOU made the choice to start this with your "most > > > > > conservatives > > > > > were outraged and up in arms" bullshit. You knew it was bullshit > > > > > when > > > > > you said it. > > > > > > On May 15, 9:23 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Holly, > > > > > > > I was pissed that more conservatives did not step up to the > > > > > > plate, > > > and > > > > > fight > > > > > > the Bush Administration and their colleagues in Congress over > > > > > > this > > > issue > > > > > > when the Patriot Act was passed. Most conservatives that I know, > > > were > > > > > > unhappy with several of the clauses in the Patriot Act that we > > > > > > are > > > > > referring > > > > > > to, and it could have been avoided and made proper. > > > > > > > I admit, that I think the Republicans failed on this issue. > > > > > > Then, > > > when > > > > > it > > > > > > came back around, I believe in 2007, they had the opportunity > > > > > > still > > > then, > > > > > to > > > > > > have killed that portion of the Patriot Act that we are > > > > > > referencing, > > > and > > > > > did > > > > > > not do so. What was worse, was the Electronic Eavesdropping Act, > > > where > > > > > they > > > > > > cowtowed. > > > > > > > You are correct on this point, no need in whipping a dead horse. > > > > > > I > > > agree > > > > > > that my Party did not do enough to have stopped this measure. > > > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Hollywood < > > > [email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > > Yeah, that's what I said. The Congress was Republican > > > > > > > controlled > > > when > > > > > > > the Patriot Act was passed. > > > > > > > So, what your saying is that when the Patriot Act was first > > > > > > > passed > > > all > > > > > > > those "most conservatives who were up in arms" could not do a > > > > > > > thing > > > to > > > > > > > stop it even with a Republican Congress. > > > > > > > > later those same (for the most part) Republicans who were > > > apparantly > > > > > > > STILL "up in arms" still could not stop passage with a > > > > > > > Democrat > > > > > > > controlled Congress. > > > > > > > > That would lead to one of two conclusions: Either these > > > > > > > republicas/ > > > > > > > conservatives are completely incompetent, impotent fuck-ups OR > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > just really weren't NEARLY as "up in arms" as you would like > > > > > > > us to > > > > > > > believe. > > > > > > > > BTW, did you miss the question where I asked how many of those > > > > > > > OUTRAGED Republicans/Conservatives actually voted against the > > > ORIGINAL > > > > > > > Patriot Act? After all, would have been no need to worry about > > > > > > > the > > > re- > > > > > > > newal had it been defeated in the fiest place. Right? > > > > > > > > On May 15, 7:59 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Check your dates. When the Patriot Act was first passed, > > > > > > > > during > > > a > > > > > > > > Republican controlled Congress, it was with a five year > > > > > > > > clause. > > > When > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Patriot Act was passed without the five year clause, as well > > > > > > > > as > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Electronic Eavesdropping Act, it was by a Democrat > > > > > > > > controlled > > > > > Congress. > > > > > > > > There was a lot of opposition from Republicans, but the > > > > > > > > Bills > > > still > > > > > > > passed, > > > > > > > > and by a number of the Republicans who voiced opposition. In > > > > > fairness, > > > > > > > > there were also a number of Democrats who opposed the > > > > > > > > legislation > > > > > also. > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Hollywood < > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > > > > But the Republicans were in the majority at that time. > > > > > > > > > Didn't > > > your > > > > > > > > > post say "most conservatives" were up in arms? Or are you > > > saying > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > Republicans, at least during Bush's 1st term, were NOT > > > > > conservatives? > > > > > > > > > Or are you saying that they were simply ineffective and > > > incompetent > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the point that they could not block legislation "most" of > > > > > > > > > them > > > were > > > > > > > > > "up in arms" about even when they were a majority in > > > > > > > > > Congress? > > > > > > > > > How many of these conservatives voted against the Patriot > > > > > > > > > Act? > > > > > Don't > > > > > > > > > fib, I'll Google it and check on ya'!! :-) > > > > > > > > > > Good. My side just got rid of the corrupt Gov. of > > > > > > > > > Illinois. > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 7:13 pm, Keith In Tampa > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There was opposition in the Republican Party when both > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > Patriot > > > > > > > Act > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the Electronic Eavesdropping Act were passed. > > > Unfortunately, > > > > > not > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > opposition. I still remember, and I was taking notes!! > > > > > > > > > > As > > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > for months now, it is time for a house cleaning inside > > > > > > > > > > the > > > tent. > > > > > We > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Florida have already got rid of one scumbag, Mel > > > > > > > > > > Martinez!!\ > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Hollywood < > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > > > > > > Any of these conservatives "up in arms" happen to be > > > Republican > > > > > > > > > > > Senators or Congressmen? > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 7:03 pm, Keith In Tampa > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Uhm.....Horse Hockey Holly! Most conservatives were > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > in > > > > > arms > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > legislation at the time, I was quite vocal about it, > > > > > > > > > > > > here > > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > group!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Hollywood < > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SgtUSMC, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny, the cons were as happy as hogs in slop when > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > sort of > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened during the Bush > > ... > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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