Others that were opposed, specifically to the eavesdropping and security of our borders as well as the bailout monies, were Charles Krauthammer, Pat Buchanan, Peggy Noonan, Neal Boortz, Keith In Tampa, Bruce Majors, Cold Water, Dick Thompson, the list is endless!!!
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>wrote: > Bruce's reference to the millions of Americans who came out to support Ron > Paul, as well as those individuals who were quite vocal against Bush's > support of the electronic eavesdropping measures, the failure to secure our > borders, and the bailout monies as well as a host of other issues that Bush > supported, (and Bruce cited Ed Crane and Judge Napotialano (sic)) are just > a few of the people, that Bruce accurately and factually cited. > > Bruce failed to mention Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, the CATO Institute as a > whole, the list is tremendous of Americans who were opposed to a number of > Bush's proposals and plans. > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Hollywood > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> KIT, >> >> Problem here is that Bruce did not state any facts. He gave us his >> personal opinions. >> Don't be such a sore loser, it's not an attractive characteristic. >> >> On May 16, 8:41 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Holly, >> > >> > I think Young Bruce pretty much very accurately summed up the facts, >> which I >> > know can be troubling for moderate Democrats such as yourself, and just >> > outright painful to far left extremists such as Sugarshack and others!!! >> > >> > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Hollywood <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > KIT, >> > >> > > I thiought you wanted to stop "beating this dead horse"?????? >> > > Make up your mind, I'll play this game anyway you want to. >> > >> > > On May 16, 8:20 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > Holly, >> > >> > > > When I referenced "most conservatives", (without going back and >> looking >> > > at >> > > > exactly what I wrote) I think I said, "most conservatives that I >> know". >> > > > Obviously, most of the conservatives that I know, (who are the >> majority >> > > in >> > > > this Nation) are not in the Congress. >> > >> > > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Hollywood < >> [email protected] >> > > >wrote: >> > >> > > > > KIT, >> > >> > > > > You keep saying "more conservatives" as if there was a significant >> > > > > number but they just couldn't QUITE barely muster the votes to >> defeat >> > > > > the bill. So, I repeat once more. How many actually voted against >> this >> > > > > legislation? Was it 20, 10, one, HOW MANY "outraged conservatives >> > > > > voted nay on this piece of legislation? >> > >> > > > > Fine, I'll stop "whipping this dead horse" as you choose to call >> it. >> > > > > But YOU made the choice to start this with your "most >> conservatives >> > > > > were outraged and up in arms" bullshit. You knew it was bullshit >> when >> > > > > you said it. >> > >> > > > > On May 15, 9:23 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > > > Holly, >> > >> > > > > > I was pissed that more conservatives did not step up to the >> plate, >> > > and >> > > > > fight >> > > > > > the Bush Administration and their colleagues in Congress over >> this >> > > issue >> > > > > > when the Patriot Act was passed. Most conservatives that I >> know, >> > > were >> > > > > > unhappy with several of the clauses in the Patriot Act that we >> are >> > > > > referring >> > > > > > to, and it could have been avoided and made proper. >> > >> > > > > > I admit, that I think the Republicans failed on this issue. >> Then, >> > > when >> > > > > it >> > > > > > came back around, I believe in 2007, they had the opportunity >> still >> > > then, >> > > > > to >> > > > > > have killed that portion of the Patriot Act that we are >> referencing, >> > > and >> > > > > did >> > > > > > not do so. What was worse, was the Electronic Eavesdropping >> Act, >> > > where >> > > > > they >> > > > > > cowtowed. >> > >> > > > > > You are correct on this point, no need in whipping a dead horse. >> I >> > > agree >> > > > > > that my Party did not do enough to have stopped this measure. >> > >> > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Hollywood < >> > > [email protected] >> > > > > >wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > KIT, >> > >> > > > > > > Yeah, that's what I said. The Congress was Republican >> controlled >> > > when >> > > > > > > the Patriot Act was passed. >> > > > > > > So, what your saying is that when the Patriot Act was first >> passed >> > > all >> > > > > > > those "most conservatives who were up in arms" could not do a >> thing >> > > to >> > > > > > > stop it even with a Republican Congress. >> > >> > > > > > > later those same (for the most part) Republicans who were >> > > apparantly >> > > > > > > STILL "up in arms" still could not stop passage with a >> Democrat >> > > > > > > controlled Congress. >> > >> > > > > > > That would lead to one of two conclusions: Either these >> republicas/ >> > > > > > > conservatives are completely incompetent, impotent fuck-ups OR >> they >> > > > > > > just really weren't NEARLY as "up in arms" as you would like >> us to >> > > > > > > believe. >> > >> > > > > > > BTW, did you miss the question where I asked how many of those >> > > > > > > OUTRAGED Republicans/Conservatives actually voted against the >> > > ORIGINAL >> > > > > > > Patriot Act? After all, would have been no need to worry about >> the >> > > re- >> > > > > > > newal had it been defeated in the fiest place. Right? >> > >> > > > > > > On May 15, 7:59 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > > > > > Check your dates. When the Patriot Act was first passed, >> during >> > > a >> > > > > > > > Republican controlled Congress, it was with a five year >> clause. >> > > When >> > > > > the >> > > > > > > > Patriot Act was passed without the five year clause, as well >> as >> > > with >> > > > > the >> > > > > > > > Electronic Eavesdropping Act, it was by a Democrat >> controlled >> > > > > Congress. >> > > > > > > > There was a lot of opposition from Republicans, but the >> Bills >> > > still >> > > > > > > passed, >> > > > > > > > and by a number of the Republicans who voiced opposition. >> In >> > > > > fairness, >> > > > > > > > there were also a number of Democrats who opposed the >> legislation >> > > > > also. >> > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Hollywood < >> > > > > [email protected] >> > > > > > > >wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > KIT, >> > >> > > > > > > > > But the Republicans were in the majority at that time. >> Didn't >> > > your >> > > > > > > > > post say "most conservatives" were up in arms? Or are you >> > > saying >> > > > > that >> > > > > > > > > Republicans, at least during Bush's 1st term, were NOT >> > > > > conservatives? >> > > > > > > > > Or are you saying that they were simply ineffective and >> > > incompetent >> > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > the point that they could not block legislation "most" of >> them >> > > were >> > > > > > > > > "up in arms" about even when they were a majority in >> Congress? >> > > > > > > > > How many of these conservatives voted against the Patriot >> Act? >> > > > > Don't >> > > > > > > > > fib, I'll Google it and check on ya'!! :-) >> > >> > > > > > > > > Good. My side just got rid of the corrupt Gov. of >> Illinois. >> > >> > > > > > > > > On May 15, 7:13 pm, Keith In Tampa < >> [email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > There was opposition in the Republican Party when both >> the >> > > > > Patriot >> > > > > > > Act >> > > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > the Electronic Eavesdropping Act were passed. >> > > Unfortunately, >> > > > > not >> > > > > > > enough >> > > > > > > > > > opposition. I still remember, and I was taking notes!! >> As >> > > I >> > > > > have >> > > > > > > said >> > > > > > > > > > for months now, it is time for a house cleaning inside >> the >> > > tent. >> > > > > We >> > > > > > > here >> > > > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > > Florida have already got rid of one scumbag, Mel >> Martinez!!\ >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Hollywood < >> > > > > > > [email protected] >> > > > > > > > > >wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > KIT, >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Any of these conservatives "up in arms" happen to be >> > > Republican >> > > > > > > > > > > Senators or Congressmen? >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 7:03 pm, Keith In Tampa < >> [email protected] >> > >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > Uhm.....Horse Hockey Holly! Most conservatives were >> up >> > > in >> > > > > arms >> > > > > > > about >> > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > legislation at the time, I was quite vocal about it, >> here >> > > in >> > > > > this >> > > > > > > > > group!! >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Hollywood < >> > > > > > > > > [email protected] >> > > > > > > > > > > >wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > SgtUSMC, >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny, the cons were as happy as hogs in slop when >> this >> > > > > sort of >> > > > > > > > > thing >> > > > > > > > > > > > > happened during the Bush administration. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried to warn the dummies. TOLD them they might >> want >> > > to >> > > > > keep >> > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > mind >> > > > > > > > > > > > > that a Democrat would be inheriting all these >> powers >> > > from >> > > > > > > George >> > > > > > > > > Bush. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Would they listen? But nooooooooooooooo. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > They just stuck their fingers in their ears and >> said >> > > things >> > > > > > > like >> > > > > > > > > > > > > "well, if your not a terrorist, drug dealer, >> pedophile >> > > etc. >> > > > > > > etc. >> > > > > > > > > why >> > > > > > > > > > > > > would you care if "the authorites were listening >> to >> > > > > everything >> > > > > > > you >> > > > > > > > > > > > > say, reading you e-mails, etc. etc." >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > NOW they are getting concerned???? >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 4:50 pm, SgtUSMC < >> [email protected]> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next time we tell you wire-tapping is >> > > unconstitutional, >> > > > > you >> > > > > > > > > should >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > listen. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 2:31 pm, Travis <[email protected] >> > >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughtful tips and reminders. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Travis >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, May 15, 2009 >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Beware of Your GPS >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> http://lewrockwell.com/spl/beware-of-gps.html >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *~@):~{>- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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