KIT, I thiought you wanted to stop "beating this dead horse"?????? Make up your mind, I'll play this game anyway you want to.
On May 16, 8:20 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Holly, > > When I referenced "most conservatives", (without going back and looking at > exactly what I wrote) I think I said, "most conservatives that I know". > Obviously, most of the conservatives that I know, (who are the majority in > this Nation) are not in the Congress. > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Hollywood <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > KIT, > > > You keep saying "more conservatives" as if there was a significant > > number but they just couldn't QUITE barely muster the votes to defeat > > the bill. So, I repeat once more. How many actually voted against this > > legislation? Was it 20, 10, one, HOW MANY "outraged conservatives > > voted nay on this piece of legislation? > > > Fine, I'll stop "whipping this dead horse" as you choose to call it. > > But YOU made the choice to start this with your "most conservatives > > were outraged and up in arms" bullshit. You knew it was bullshit when > > you said it. > > > On May 15, 9:23 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Holly, > > > > I was pissed that more conservatives did not step up to the plate, and > > fight > > > the Bush Administration and their colleagues in Congress over this issue > > > when the Patriot Act was passed. Most conservatives that I know, were > > > unhappy with several of the clauses in the Patriot Act that we are > > referring > > > to, and it could have been avoided and made proper. > > > > I admit, that I think the Republicans failed on this issue. Then, when > > it > > > came back around, I believe in 2007, they had the opportunity still then, > > to > > > have killed that portion of the Patriot Act that we are referencing, and > > did > > > not do so. What was worse, was the Electronic Eavesdropping Act, where > > they > > > cowtowed. > > > > You are correct on this point, no need in whipping a dead horse. I agree > > > that my Party did not do enough to have stopped this measure. > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Hollywood <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > KIT, > > > > > Yeah, that's what I said. The Congress was Republican controlled when > > > > the Patriot Act was passed. > > > > So, what your saying is that when the Patriot Act was first passed all > > > > those "most conservatives who were up in arms" could not do a thing to > > > > stop it even with a Republican Congress. > > > > > later those same (for the most part) Republicans who were apparantly > > > > STILL "up in arms" still could not stop passage with a Democrat > > > > controlled Congress. > > > > > That would lead to one of two conclusions: Either these republicas/ > > > > conservatives are completely incompetent, impotent fuck-ups OR they > > > > just really weren't NEARLY as "up in arms" as you would like us to > > > > believe. > > > > > BTW, did you miss the question where I asked how many of those > > > > OUTRAGED Republicans/Conservatives actually voted against the ORIGINAL > > > > Patriot Act? After all, would have been no need to worry about the re- > > > > newal had it been defeated in the fiest place. Right? > > > > > On May 15, 7:59 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Check your dates. When the Patriot Act was first passed, during a > > > > > Republican controlled Congress, it was with a five year clause. When > > the > > > > > Patriot Act was passed without the five year clause, as well as with > > the > > > > > Electronic Eavesdropping Act, it was by a Democrat controlled > > Congress. > > > > > There was a lot of opposition from Republicans, but the Bills still > > > > passed, > > > > > and by a number of the Republicans who voiced opposition. In > > fairness, > > > > > there were also a number of Democrats who opposed the legislation > > also. > > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Hollywood < > > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > But the Republicans were in the majority at that time. Didn't your > > > > > > post say "most conservatives" were up in arms? Or are you saying > > that > > > > > > Republicans, at least during Bush's 1st term, were NOT > > conservatives? > > > > > > Or are you saying that they were simply ineffective and incompetent > > to > > > > > > the point that they could not block legislation "most" of them were > > > > > > "up in arms" about even when they were a majority in Congress? > > > > > > How many of these conservatives voted against the Patriot Act? > > Don't > > > > > > fib, I'll Google it and check on ya'!! :-) > > > > > > > Good. My side just got rid of the corrupt Gov. of Illinois. > > > > > > > On May 15, 7:13 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > There was opposition in the Republican Party when both the > > Patriot > > > > Act > > > > > > and > > > > > > > the Electronic Eavesdropping Act were passed. Unfortunately, > > not > > > > enough > > > > > > > opposition. I still remember, and I was taking notes!! As I > > have > > > > said > > > > > > > for months now, it is time for a house cleaning inside the tent. > > We > > > > here > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Florida have already got rid of one scumbag, Mel Martinez!!\ > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Hollywood < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > > > Any of these conservatives "up in arms" happen to be Republican > > > > > > > > Senators or Congressmen? > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 7:03 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Uhm.....Horse Hockey Holly! Most conservatives were up in > > arms > > > > about > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > legislation at the time, I was quite vocal about it, here in > > this > > > > > > group!! > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Hollywood < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > SgtUSMC, > > > > > > > > > > > Funny, the cons were as happy as hogs in slop when this > > sort of > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > happened during the Bush administration. > > > > > > > > > > > I tried to warn the dummies. TOLD them they might want to > > keep > > > > in > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > that a Democrat would be inheriting all these powers from > > > > George > > > > > > Bush. > > > > > > > > > > Would they listen? But nooooooooooooooo. > > > > > > > > > > They just stuck their fingers in their ears and said things > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > "well, if your not a terrorist, drug dealer, pedophile etc. > > > > etc. > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > would you care if "the authorites were listening to > > everything > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > say, reading you e-mails, etc. etc." > > > > > > > > > > > NOW they are getting concerned???? > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 4:50 pm, SgtUSMC <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Next time we tell you wire-tapping is unconstitutional, > > you > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > listen. > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 2:31 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughtful tips and reminders. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Travis > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, May 15, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Beware of Your GPS > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lewrockwell.com/spl/beware-of-gps.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > *~@):~{>- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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