I was actually just quoting biblical text; that whole passage is found in Matthew Chapter 19.
On May 17, 12:51 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > RE: Divorce-Your are leaving out annulments and unrecognized marriages > in the Catholic Church. Also read a post about Henry VIII's argument > to divorce his first wife was based on the fact she was his brother's > widow therefore committing adultery although I believe Judaism allows > this practice. I wonder what Jesus would say about "no fault" > divorces? > > On May 16, 10:01 pm, "J.C." <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Matthew 5:31-32. > > > "Furthermore it has been said "Whoever divorces his wife, let him give > > her a certificate of divorce. But I say to you for any reason except > > adultery causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries a woman > > who is divorced commits adultery." > > > And in order to understand the context of the one verse, you have to > > read Matthew Chapter 19: 3-9: > > > The pharisees came to him, testing him, and saying to him, "Is it > > lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?" > > > And he answered and said to them, 'Have you not read at the beginning > > that he who made them made them male and female?" And said, "For this > > reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his > > wife, and the two shall become one flesh?" > > > "So then they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God > > has joined together, let not man separate." > > > They said to him, "Why, then did Moses command to give a certificate > > of divorce and to put her away?" > > > He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, > > permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning, it was > > not so. > > > And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for adultery, and > > marries another, commits adultery, and whoever marries she who is > > divorced, commits adultery." > > > On May 16, 11:59 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > KIT, > > > > Keith, Keith, Keith, > > > > Let's look at this a bit more closely. > > > > Matthew 10:5: It says "What God has joined together......" I see no > > > mention of specific genders. Interestingly enough that particular > > > verse is commonly used to "prove" divorce is a sin by the Catholic > > > Curch as well as others. > > > > Corinthians 1:7 dosen't say jack-shit about marriage. > > > > All the verses you quote have to do with how to treat each other as a > > > married couple. No mention of genders. Actually , most of this area of > > > the Bible is usually used as a rationalization for women to be > > > controlled by men. Ephesians 5:21:23 "You wives must sunbit to your > > > husbands leadership in the same way you submit to the Lord. For a > > > husband is in charge of his wife in the same way Christ is in charge > > > of his body the church. So you wives must willingly obey your husbands > > > in everything, just as the church obeys Christ." End quote. > > > > It don't work friend, tried MANY times to tell my first wife that I > > > was God so far as she was concerned. She wasn't buying that. > > > > C'mon, damn near anything can be "proven" or at least rationalized by > > > the Bible if you try hard enough. What? You didn't think I had a Bible > > > and could read? > > > > On May 16, 9:51 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Holly, Holly, Holly, > > > > > I have already given the verses that point out why the Old Testament is > > > > not > > > > to be taken literally, and why all of these Moonbats who sling up > > > > Biblical > > > > verses from the Old Testament as if Christians are somehow facing a > > > > dilemma > > > > or a conundrum are misplaced. > > > > > If you are referring to the verses which demonstrate that marriage is > > > > between a man and a woman, here are a few: > > > > > "So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined > > > > together, > > > > let man not separate" (Matthew 19:6). > > > > > There are several epistles written by the apostle Paul that refer to > > > > marriage and how believers are to operate within the marriage > > > > relationship. > > > > One such passage is 1 Corinthians chapter 7, and another is Ephesians > > > > 5:22-33. When studied together, these two passages provide biblical > > > > principles that form a framework for a God-pleasing marriage > > > > relationship. > > > > > "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave > > > > himself > > > > up for her" (Ephesians 5:25). "In this same way, husbands ought to love > > > > their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. > > > > After > > > > all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, > > > > just as > > > > Christ does the church” (Ephesians 5:28-29). “For this reason a man will > > > > leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will > > > > become one flesh” (Ephesians 5:31). > > > > > In Hebrews 13:4; "Give honor to marriage, and remain faithful to one > > > > another > > > > in marriage. God will surely judge people who are immoral and those who > > > > commit adultery." > > > > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Hollywood > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > So, give me the verse in the New testament that supports your > > > > > position. I can wait while you ask J.C. as neither one of us are Bible > > > > > scholars. > > > > > > We both realise i'm sure that people on the both sides use the Bible > > > > > to justify their political/social attitudes and cheerfully ignore what > > > > > it says when convient. You in this case seem to want to use it to > > > > > justify your position. All i'm asking is for the verse(s) in said > > > > > Bible your using as your authority. > > > > > > On May 16, 8:55 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Holly, > > > > > > > First, J.C. is literally much more qualified than I, to discuss > > > > > > various > > > > > > aspects of the Bible!! I am a rookie as compared to her, and > > > > > > although I > > > > > > don't always agree with J.C. in her viewpoints, I concede that she > > > > > > is far > > > > > > more qualified to talk about Biblical passages than I!! > > > > > > > A couple of points: > > > > > > > First, the reason that I even delved into the New Testament, is > > > > > > because > > > > > > there is this trend by far left extremists to sling up passages > > > > > > from the > > > > > Old > > > > > > Testament, which are conflicting, sound hateful, and provide a > > > > > > conundrum > > > > > if > > > > > > one were to take the passages literally. My point in citing the New > > > > > > Covenants, was to demostrate that nothing in the Old Testament is > > > > > > to be > > > > > > taken literally, as per Christ's words. Christ explicitly > > > > > > preached: the > > > > > > spiritual equality of men and women but not of violently > > > > > > overthrowing > > > > > human > > > > > > practices that differentiate male and female roles. Christ preached > > > > > > a > > > > > high > > > > > > degree of tolerance and non-judgment. > > > > > > > Nevertheless, as stated, (and I see that you just posted again, so I > > > > > don't > > > > > > mean to be redundant) marriage is clearly between a man and a > > > > > > woman. > > > > > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Hollywood > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > > Blah, blah, blah, so give me a verse in the New Testament that > > > > > > > actually defines/describes marriage so I can find a Bible and > > > > > > > read it. > > > > > > > There must be at least one. After all ,Jesus's first public > > > > > > > miracle > > > > > > > was turning water into wine at a wedding. > > > > > > > > On May 15, 10:18 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey J.C.!! > > > > > > > > > (LOL, Here We Go Again!!) > > > > > > > > > First, I am not a Biblical scholar, as you are!! Having said > > > > > > > > that, > > > > > I > > > > > > > note > > > > > > > > that you only reference the Old Jewish Testament, and not the > > > > > > > > New > > > > > > > > Covenants, Christians believe Christ released them from the > > > > > > > > bonds of > > > > > > > strict > > > > > > > > adherence to the Old Testament Law and superimposed God's > > > > > > > > judgment > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Grace. For those who read the Old testament and find harshness, > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > the New covenant supersedes anything in the Old Testament. > > > > > > > > > Moreover, Jesus Christ told us that the whole law, *e.g.;* the > > > > > > > > "Old > > > > > > > > Testament" could be summarized in two commands: "*Love God with > > > > > > > > all > > > > > your > > > > > > > > heart, soul and mind*"; and "*Love your neighbor as yourself*" > > > > > > > > *See* > > > > > > > Luke > > > > > > > > 12:28-32. > > > > > > > > Further, Christ also taught us that, “*B**ecause this is my > > > > > > > > blood of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > new covenant that is being poured out for many people for the > > > > > > > forgiveness of > > > > > > > > sins*.” (*See* Matthew 26:28); and. “*For if there had been > > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for > > > > > another*.” > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > See* Hebrews 8:7; and, “*By calling this covenant "new," he > > > > > > > > has made > > > > > the > > > > > > > > first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon > > > > > disappear*.” > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > See* Hebrews 8:13. > > > > > > > > > From our messages back in February of this year: > > > > > > > > > With purposeful , extensive, methodical propaganda, planning, > > > > > > > > massive > > > > > > > > amounts of funding by the likes of George Soros, Hollywood > > > > > > > > elitists > > > > > and > > > > > > > > others, and with controlled, extensive media manipulation, it > > > > > > > > is my > > > > > > > opinion > > > > > > > > that you, and many Americans have been intentionally misled and > > > > > mislead. > > > > > > > > There has been a concerted effort by a select hard core group of > > > > > > > socialists > > > > > > > > and secularists, who want to destroy the traditional values of > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > Nation, > > > > > > > > the very core values that made this Nation great. > > > > > > > > > By example, there is no other definition of and for marriage, > > > > > > > > other > > > > > than > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > term's religious > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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