rigs, Hell I got an annulment from my 1st wife. Did it as a favor to her so she could marry again within the Catholic Church. But when I went to my lawyer and said if it would let me off the hook for alimony & child support because the Catholic Church now claimed I was never married to ol' whatshername his relpy was pretty much "fuck the Catholic Church and what they proclaim". The courts of Mississippi say you pay or go to jail. And that's the way it should be, we are not a theocracy we are a secular nation.
Relax, just a little divorce humor. On May 17, 1:51 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > RE: Divorce-Your are leaving out annulments and unrecognized marriages > in the Catholic Church. Also read a post about Henry VIII's argument > to divorce his first wife was based on the fact she was his brother's > widow therefore committing adultery although I believe Judaism allows > this practice. I wonder what Jesus would say about "no fault" > divorces? > > On May 16, 10:01 pm, "J.C." <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Matthew 5:31-32. > > > "Furthermore it has been said "Whoever divorces his wife, let him give > > her a certificate of divorce. But I say to you for any reason except > > adultery causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries a woman > > who is divorced commits adultery." > > > And in order to understand the context of the one verse, you have to > > read Matthew Chapter 19: 3-9: > > > The pharisees came to him, testing him, and saying to him, "Is it > > lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?" > > > And he answered and said to them, 'Have you not read at the beginning > > that he who made them made them male and female?" And said, "For this > > reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his > > wife, and the two shall become one flesh?" > > > "So then they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God > > has joined together, let not man separate." > > > They said to him, "Why, then did Moses command to give a certificate > > of divorce and to put her away?" > > > He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, > > permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning, it was > > not so. > > > And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for adultery, and > > marries another, commits adultery, and whoever marries she who is > > divorced, commits adultery." > > > On May 16, 11:59 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > KIT, > > > > Keith, Keith, Keith, > > > > Let's look at this a bit more closely. > > > > Matthew 10:5: It says "What God has joined together......" I see no > > > mention of specific genders. Interestingly enough that particular > > > verse is commonly used to "prove" divorce is a sin by the Catholic > > > Curch as well as others. > > > > Corinthians 1:7 dosen't say jack-shit about marriage. > > > > All the verses you quote have to do with how to treat each other as a > > > married couple. No mention of genders. Actually , most of this area of > > > the Bible is usually used as a rationalization for women to be > > > controlled by men. Ephesians 5:21:23 "You wives must sunbit to your > > > husbands leadership in the same way you submit to the Lord. For a > > > husband is in charge of his wife in the same way Christ is in charge > > > of his body the church. So you wives must willingly obey your husbands > > > in everything, just as the church obeys Christ." End quote. > > > > It don't work friend, tried MANY times to tell my first wife that I > > > was God so far as she was concerned. She wasn't buying that. > > > > C'mon, damn near anything can be "proven" or at least rationalized by > > > the Bible if you try hard enough. What? You didn't think I had a Bible > > > and could read? > > > > On May 16, 9:51 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Holly, Holly, Holly, > > > > > I have already given the verses that point out why the Old Testament is > > > > not > > > > to be taken literally, and why all of these Moonbats who sling up > > > > Biblical > > > > verses from the Old Testament as if Christians are somehow facing a > > > > dilemma > > > > or a conundrum are misplaced. > > > > > If you are referring to the verses which demonstrate that marriage is > > > > between a man and a woman, here are a few: > > > > > "So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined > > > > together, > > > > let man not separate" (Matthew 19:6). > > > > > There are several epistles written by the apostle Paul that refer to > > > > marriage and how believers are to operate within the marriage > > > > relationship. > > > > One such passage is 1 Corinthians chapter 7, and another is Ephesians > > > > 5:22-33. When studied together, these two passages provide biblical > > > > principles that form a framework for a God-pleasing marriage > > > > relationship. > > > > > "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave > > > > himself > > > > up for her" (Ephesians 5:25). "In this same way, husbands ought to love > > > > their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. > > > > After > > > > all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, > > > > just as > > > > Christ does the church” (Ephesians 5:28-29). “For this reason a man will > > > > leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will > > > > become one flesh” (Ephesians 5:31). > > > > > In Hebrews 13:4; "Give honor to marriage, and remain faithful to one > > > > another > > > > in marriage. God will surely judge people who are immoral and those who > > > > commit adultery." > > > > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Hollywood > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > So, give me the verse in the New testament that supports your > > > > > position. I can wait while you ask J.C. as neither one of us are Bible > > > > > scholars. > > > > > > We both realise i'm sure that people on the both sides use the Bible > > > > > to justify their political/social attitudes and cheerfully ignore what > > > > > it says when convient. You in this case seem to want to use it to > > > > > justify your position. All i'm asking is for the verse(s) in said > > > > > Bible your using as your authority. > > > > > > On May 16, 8:55 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Holly, > > > > > > > First, J.C. is literally much more qualified than I, to discuss > > > > > > various > > > > > > aspects of the Bible!! I am a rookie as compared to her, and > > > > > > although I > > > > > > don't always agree with J.C. in her viewpoints, I concede that she > > > > > > is far > > > > > > more qualified to talk about Biblical passages than I!! > > > > > > > A couple of points: > > > > > > > First, the reason that I even delved into the New Testament, is > > > > > > because > > > > > > there is this trend by far left extremists to sling up passages > > > > > > from the > > > > > Old > > > > > > Testament, which are conflicting, sound hateful, and provide a > > > > > > conundrum > > > > > if > > > > > > one were to take the passages literally. My point in citing the New > > > > > > Covenants, was to demostrate that nothing in the Old Testament is > > > > > > to be > > > > > > taken literally, as per Christ's words. Christ explicitly > > > > > > preached: the > > > > > > spiritual equality of men and women but not of violently > > > > > > overthrowing > > > > > human > > > > > > practices that differentiate male and female roles. Christ preached > > > > > > a > > > > > high > > > > > > degree of tolerance and non-judgment. > > > > > > > Nevertheless, as stated, (and I see that you just posted again, so I > > > > > don't > > > > > > mean to be redundant) marriage is clearly between a man and a > > > > > > woman. > > > > > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Hollywood > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > > Blah, blah, blah, so give me a verse in the New Testament that > > > > > > > actually defines/describes marriage so I can find a Bible and > > > > > > > read it. > > > > > > > There must be at least one. After all ,Jesus's first public > > > > > > > miracle > > > > > > > was turning water into wine at a wedding. > > > > > > > > On May 15, 10:18 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey J.C.!! > > > > > > > > > (LOL, Here We Go Again!!) > > > > > > > > > First, I am not a Biblical scholar, as you are!! Having said > > > > > > > > that, > > > > > I > > > > > > > note > > > > > > > > that you only reference the Old Jewish Testament, and not the > > > > > > > > New > > > > > > > > Covenants, Christians believe Christ released them from the > > > > > > > > bonds of > > > > > > > strict > > > > > > > > adherence to the Old Testament Law and superimposed God's > > > > > > > > judgment > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Grace. For those who read the Old testament and find harshness, > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > the New covenant supersedes anything in the Old Testament. > > > > > > > > > Moreover, Jesus Christ told us that the whole law, *e.g.;* the > > > > > > > > "Old > > > > > > > > Testament" could be summarized in two commands: "*Love God with > > > > > > > > all > > > > > your > > > > > > > > heart, soul and mind*"; and "*Love your neighbor as yourself*" > > > > > > > > *See* > > > > > > > Luke > > > > > > > > 12:28-32. > > > > > > > > Further, Christ also taught us that, “*B**ecause this is my > > > > > > > > blood of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > new covenant that is being poured out for many people for the > > > > > > > forgiveness of > > > > > > > > sins*.” (*See* Matthew 26:28); and. “*For if there had been > > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for > > > > > another*.” > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > See* Hebrews 8:7; and, “*By calling this covenant "new," he > > > > > > > > has made > > > > > the > > > > > > > > first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon > > > > > disappear*.” > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > See* Hebrews 8:13. > > > > > > > > > From our messages back in February of this year: > > > > > > > > > With purposeful , extensive, methodical propaganda, planning, > > > > > > > > massive > > > > > > > > amounts of funding by the likes of George Soros, Hollywood > > > > > > > > elitists > > > > > and > > > > > > > > others, and with controlled, extensive media manipulation, it > > > > > > > > is my > > > > > > > opinion > > > > > > > > that you, and many Americans have been intentionally misled and > > > > > mislead. > > > > > > > > There has been a concerted effort by a select hard core group of > > > > > > > socialists > > > > > > > > and secularists, who want to destroy the traditional values of > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > Nation, > > > > > > > > the very core values that made this Nation great. > > > > > > > > > By example, there is no other definition of and for marriage, > > > > > > > > other > > > > > than > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > term's religious > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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