Maybe if the torture was used by the correct trained people on the correct terrorists for the correct reasons we wouldn't be having this discussion, however the facts say this did not happen.
Amateurs tortured to death prisoners, took trophy pictures, and got no useful intelligence. Others tortured prisoners not to protect America but to get back fill Intelligence to justify the unprovoked war of aggression in Iraq especially after no WMD;s were found. Finally Bush repeatedly said that the US did not torture, and the truth is Bush set up a program of torture. The White House tried to changed the terminology to 'enhanced interrogation' and then set up cover by having White house lawyers write briefs saying enhanced interrogations did no permanent damage, despite the 98 dead prisoners held for questioning. Let's not also forget the need of doctor supervision. Why was that needed for a 'non lethal enhanced interrogations'? On May 18, 12:08 am, Jim Willis <[email protected]> wrote: > I’m just saying; this tortured torture argument is a lot of flummery > foisted as a faux pas targeting those who have dedicated their lives > to protecting us, the people. Cognizant, coherent citizens are engaged > in a debate where they question the methods of safety provided them. > When you think about it, it’s akin to the sperm complaining to the egg > about the condom. > > I’m not buying it, or even renting it by the mile. My personal policy > is pro-torture. I’ve taken it as an article of faith. And trust me; > I’ve given torture a great deal of reflection…after all, I have ex- > wives. > > But, and think about this; we are the lone superpower remaining on > this spinning orb and the best we can do is water sports. As John > Stossel would say, “give me a break”. I long for that ole time > torture. You know; the fire and brimstone, can I haaaaaave an amen, > drawing and quartering, the iron maiden dosee doe. Ah yes, good times. > > For all of you short bussers on the left and you middle of the road > Forrest Gumps, this gets pretty simple. You can even play along at > home. We are at war with a cult like pseudo-religion that has as its > sacrament the rape of children, the rape of women and the rape of > goats; just not in that order. > > How about it, friends, neighbors and countrymen? Think about it; we > are flogging ourselves in some sort of self flagellation because a few > pieces of excrement were made somewhat uncomfortable. > > This might surprise you limp wristed leftist Looney tunes but the > father of our country had definite ideals and inspirations in his > command. You might say he was the original motivational speaker. He > regularly whipped subordinates for insubordination and executed > deserters. He bucked up. He got the job done. And here’s the thing; > don’t try that civilized, the times have changed, we are more > enlightened flank attack on my soon to be recognized as a literary > masterpiece postulation. That ship has sailed Sally. > > Just because you Sheila’s don’t have the backbone or testicular > fortitude to put Abdulla’s head in a vice until he gives up what well > little Timmy is in doesn’t give you the right to question those of us > that will do the heavy lifting and put us in the dock. Better yet to > simply say thank-you and leave us to protecting your sorry ass. > > Yet, instead; you decry the methods that we stalwarts employ to allow > you to peacefully sleep at night in a cozy home filled with promising > offspring. How dare you! How dare you question the methods that we > apply to the protection of you and the ones you love? > > How sanctimonious you must be. To bitterly suffer the application of a > trying debate that stakes it flag to the mythical high moral ground in > only the abstract. When in, “dynamic realism” innocent people are > butchered while good men do nothing. > > Listen up you symbiotic simian stupidest scene stealers. All of the > theatrics, hand wringing aestivations hoping to stretch this debate > well nigh into the fall, one might presume that at some point the > adults will once again command the steering of this frog back into a > tadpole. This isn’t news. Hell yes we should torture. It should be > done quietly and not on the front page of the New York Slimes. Come to > think of it; my garage is pretty quiet. I’m just saying…. > Conservative Springfield Staff Writer > > On May 17, 3:43 pm, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Yes I know > > > Though the ones who will at least admit that if it is wrong to pour water up > > a suspected terrorist's nose it is wrong to bomb him and his family with a > > predator drone, as Odumba does, are not in the same pit of hell as the > > Demwit party hieracrhy and the Odumba felching media and the Odumba sheeple > > monkeys > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Keith In Tampa > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > Hey Bruce, > > > > I don't believe that there is any evidence that the CIA or the DOD > > > operated > > > outside of the law, but to answer your question, because for the most > > > part, > > > those that hold far left, extremist radical viewpoints are hypocrites. > > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 3:57 PM, bruce majors > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> why do "liberals" get upset when the cia or dod operate outside of the > > >> law > > >> or the constitution, but not when congress, the irs, or regulatory > > >> agencies > > >> do? > > > >> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Keith In Tampa > > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >>> Holly, > > > >>> How you gathered that I somehow suggested this, from any of my posts, is > > >>> just amazing. I have never suggested anything of the sort. As a > > >>> matter of > > >>> fact, the recent information released by the Obama Administration > > >>> demostrates that the CIA was methodical and quite careful to insure that > > >>> they were within the confines of the law. > > > >>> My point is simple. There was no authorized torture, period. The > > >>> United > > >>> States Army, (or any of our military branches) do not have the means > > >>> nor > > >>> the capability to utilize enhanced interrogation techniques. The Army > > >>> is > > >>> limited by the guidelines listed in the Army Field Manual, as it should > > >>> be. Those who violated the written military policy should be > > >>> prosceuted, > > >>> as they were. > > > >>> The CIA is not limited to the Army Field Manual, and great as stated, > > >>> the > > >>> CIA as well as the Bush Administration went to great lengths and extreme > > >>> measures to insure that the CIA did not cross the proverbial > > >>> line.....There > > >>> was no "torture" while administering enhanced interrogation techniques. > > >>> I > > >>> say this after extensive study of the facts and information that has > > >>> been > > >>> released to date. It is my qualified opinion that the enhanced > > >>> interrogation techniques did not constitute torture. I say this > > >>> without any > > >>> partisanship whatsoever. My opinion could change, if there is more > > >>> evidence that is released that may in fact constitute "torture" but to > > >>> date, > > >>> we have seen no such evidence. > > > >>> Sean is a Moonbat. He has no understanding of what actually took place > > >>> or transpired, and I would surmise that he has not even read the > > >>> Memoranda > > >>> by Jay Bybee, Steven Bradbury, John Yoo, or the "Rumsfeld Defense > > >>> Department > > >>> Working Group". All Sugarshack can do, and all Sugarshack has done, is > > >>> mimic those very partisan individuals who are on a hate campaign > > >>> against the > > >>> former Administration, but have to date, not attempted to attach any > > >>> legal > > >>> precepts or rational, cognitive critical thinking to their argument. > > >>> "Torture" is an easy, fun word for folks like Sean to sling out, yet > > >>> they > > >>> have no clue what the legal definition of torture is. > > > >>> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Hollywood > > >>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >>>> KIT, > > > >>>> What are you saying? That the CIA operates completely outside U.S. > > >>>> civil and criminal codes AND the UCMJ and is not subject to ANY of > > >>>> those codes, regulations or laws? > > > >>>> On May 17, 9:17 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> > Sean, > > > >>>> > So, this is really what it boils down to, as I suspicioned. What you > > >>>> are > > >>>> > really saying is, "I Hate Bush, But I Don't Know Why". > > > >>>> > What transpired at Abu Gharib is not at all what transpired with > > >>>> enhanced > > >>>> > interrogation techniques by the CIA. The Army has no mechanism > > >>>> > other > > >>>> than > > >>>> > the Army Field Manual to interrogate prisoners. Those individuals > > >>>> were > > >>>> > prosecuted because they were outside of Army regulations. > > > >>>> > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 3:26 AM, VT VirtualTruth > > >>>> > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >>>> > > If we tried the little guys for what happened at Abu Gharib > > >>>> > > then the precedent has already been set for the ENTIRE > > >>>> > > Bush Administration. > > > >>>> > > I believe Nixon was also Impeached for his crimes > > >>>> > > during the Vietnam war. > > > >>>> > > Nixon resigned rather than face impeachment for his crimes > > >>>> > > while in office, and Republicans pushed all out to impeach > > >>>> > > Clinton while in office about a lie over a BJ. > > > >>>> > > So both your reasons for calling me a traitor have both been > > >>>> > > proven false based on previous precedent. > > > >>>> > > You have nothing left to say, because you have run > > >>>> > > out of realistic arguments. > > > >>>> > > On May 16, 4:47 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> > > > Hey Sean!! > > > >>>> > > > Actually, I thought my post was rather witty!! > > > >>>> > > > In all honesty, you seem like a bright, intelligent, (I am > > >>>> assuming > > >>>> > > younger > > >>>> > > > than me) man. It is one thing to question our governments' > > >>>> policies, > > >>>> > > and > > >>>> > > > quite another to jump on a traitorous bandwagon, accusing our > > >>>> President, > > >>>> > > > (any President!) during a time of war, of war crimes. > > > >>>> > > > I have nothing else to say on the subject. Based on all of the > > >>>> > > information > > >>>> > > > that has been released to date, I don't believe that we ever > > >>>> "tortured" > > >>>> > > > anyone. That this is just a hyped up term used by far left > > >>>> extremists > > >>>> > > who > > >>>> > > > are either uninformed, and/or have an Anti-American agenda. One > > >>>> or the > > >>>> > > > other.... > > > >>>> > > > Until such time as more information has been released, (which > > >>>> initially I > > >>>> > > > was opposed to, but now, because the Obama Administration chose > > >>>> > > > to > > >>>> > > release > > >>>> > > > the several Memoranda by Bybee and Bradbury) I want to see > > >>>> everything > > >>>> > > > released, including the documents from July 2004 that former Vice > > >>>> > > President > > >>>> > > > Cheney has requested be released. > > > >>>> > > > Until such time, I can add nothing to the > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
