jgg, Go back and read BOTH of your posts I refer to.
On May 26, 11:08 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes Hollywood fear-mongering 24/7... And please learn to read... I > said > > >>> Taking extremist statements and broad brush it to all > > of the opposition IS part of the typical fear-monger done by extreme > wings of both sides... > > Now how did you spin this??? > > >>> Oh? And when you clowns do it I suppose it's an ACCIDENT of some sort, > > as opossed to beling PLANNED? LMFAO! > > I said both sides, you restricted my statement to one side so you > could ridicule... Typical straw-man... > > On May 26, 10:08 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > jjg, > > > Oh? And when you clowns do it I suppose it's an ACCIDENT of some sort, > > as opossed to beling PLANNED? LMFAO! > > > You've gone in one post from "yet the fear-mongering was 24/7 by the > > left" to "some on the left do fear-mongering...." And you want to talk > > about the "broad brush" I am using? > > > There are extremists on both sides? No shit! > > > On May 26, 8:58 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Yes Hollywood... Some on the Left often do fear-mongering in the > > > PLANNED demonization of their opponents... That you refuse to > > > confront that very human and partisan aspect of the Left is > > > telling... Also that you seek to characterize the Right by > > > > >>> "do what we say, give us what we want or the terorists will come and > > > >>> kill you all in your beds". > > > > is telling... Taking extremist statements and broad brush it to all > > > of the opposition IS part of the typical fear-monger done by extreme > > > wings of both sides... > > > > And the plain fact is on 9/12 there was real uncertainty as to the > > > scope and nature of the threat of AQ... Reasonable men in those > > > circumstances do change behavior and limit potential unknown > > > threats... That simple fact is normally ignored by the Left in this > > > country. > > > > On May 24, 9:35 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > jgg, > > > > > Fear-mongering by the LEFT???? > > > > > Oh BTW, I lost track, what is the TERRORIST DANGER ALERT COLOR today. > > > > orange, yellow, hot pink? > > > > Pul-eeeeze, the right has been screaming for 8 years now "do what we > > > > say, give us what we want or the terorists will come and kill you all > > > > in your beds". > > > > > On May 22, 12:59 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Very true... My point is the real reason often dictates what happens > > > > > after the fact... Hence after WWI we did the Marshall Plan and the > > > > > Russians did satellite states... > > > > > > In much of the opposition to the US in Iraq, one claim was American > > > > > Imperialism and lust after oil --- ie we wanted to steal Iraqi oil... > > > > > Clearly this is not going to be a result PRINCIPALLY due to that was > > > > > never an aim... Yet the fear-mongering was 24/7 by the Left... > > > > > > On May 22, 1:25 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > jgg, > > > > > > > Your simply impossible. The WHY is determined by what the individual > > > > > > country thinks is in it's best interests at any given time. That's > > > > > > what I've been saying all along. > > > > > > There are almost always TWO reasons for what a country does. The > > > > > > REAL > > > > > > reason and thwe reason given to the public in order to gain their > > > > > > support or at least nullify resistence/opposition. > > > > > > > On May 22, 11:36 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Once again > > > > > > > > At the end of the day WHY a great power acts matters at times... > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > helps to determine WHAT they do AFTER the deed... Hence The > > > > > > > Marshall plan post WWII verses European Retributions demanded from > > > > > > > Germany post WWI... Or Russia after WWII... > > > > > > > > On May 22, 11:31 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > jgg, > > > > > > > > > SO? I'll ask you again, what is the point you are trying to > > > > > > > > make? > > > > > > > > > On May 22, 10:15 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You forget Pakistani ISI... > > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 5:41 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > jgg, > > > > > > > > > > > So? The Russians invaded Afghanistan at one point, we did > > > > > > > > > > at another > > > > > > > > > > point and AQ did at yet another. What's your point here? > > > > > > > > > > And yes, all > > > > > > > > > > parties had their own resons for doing so. > > > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 11:55 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Techinically, AQ invaded Iraq and Afghanistan... Unless > > > > > > > > > > > you buy into > > > > > > > > > > > the notion that their universial world governemnt self > > > > > > > > > > > proclaimed by > > > > > > > > > > > definition makes that impossible... > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 11:35 am, Hollywood > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > jgg, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh yeah, they changed from killing Russians invading > > > > > > > > > > > > their land to > > > > > > > > > > > > killing Americans & Brits invading their land. Thought > > > > > > > > > > > > I had explained > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 9:54 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or maybe it depends on the circumstance... Like how > > > > > > > > > > > > > OBL and AQ > > > > > > > > > > > > > changed over the years... Another example is > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting Stalin in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1942-45 and fighting him from 1948-1953... Why the > > > > > > > > > > > > > change??? Simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stalin's actions post WWII... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 10:26 am, Hollywood > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jgg, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT arguement of "because we helped S.H. we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responsible for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > end result?" Look at my posts, what I ACTUALLY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said. Where did I say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any such thing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF course our political policy is based on what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convient for us at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the moment. One decade Osama Bin Laden is a "deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious freedom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fighter" another decade the same man is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "murdering Muslim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > terrorist". All depends on wheter he's killing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Russians or Brits and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans. Duuuuuuh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 20, 10:31 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another of your straw-men Hollywood... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Especially as I never have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been of the attitude ""your either for us or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against us"... Neither > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was Bush for that matter... Now the LW anti-war > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fringe WAS and IS... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence Pelosi's new dance step... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now my point with Russia IS and was, geopolitical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alliance normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are temporary based on convenience... As was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our help to Saddam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our interest was not to let either Iraq nor Iran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > win... And that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > policy drove our actions... Second, the arms we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supplied helped us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the Russians defeat Hitler --- the question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is the refusal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Russia to WITHDRAWAL to its pre war borders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WAS a consequence of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that win... This included incorporating the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baltic and much of Poland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into USSR... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ANd the argument used with with Saddam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE we helped him, WE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are responsible for the end result... Applying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that logic to WWII, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we were responsible for 40 years of repression in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eastern Europe... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I reject that line of reasoning in the cases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Russia during WWI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saddam post 1987... The issue here do you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also reject the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasoning??? If so the issue of our limited help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Saddam in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 80's is a none issue... If you accept that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, then you logically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must hold we are guilty of repressing Eastern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Europe for 40 years... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 20, 10:16 am, Hollywood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jgg, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOW you want to resign the black/white world of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "your either for us or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against us" George Bush? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OH, we didn't want Russia it win against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Germany, we only wanted to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help them avoid defeat? When Russian tanks were > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rumbling thru the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > street of Berlin, hundreds of miles west of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their borders, we were > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > merely helping them avoid defeat and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > destruction? Read a history book, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Russia help US to avoid defeat in Europe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 20, 8:55 am, jgg1000a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Hollywood, in the grown-up game of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geopolitics that is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > significant difference... In your Ivory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tower of perfection, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ideology must remain pure by using only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "moral" methods... In WWII, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we allied with a Totalitarian tyrant not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite as dangerous as Hitler, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stalin, to beat Hitler... We supplied him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arms so he would not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > defeated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Stalin used them to take over Eastern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Europe after the war... By > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your standards, we are responsible for Stalin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post war, even though he > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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