Why is it so hard for you to acept that this is not about policing, but about groups who wish to overthrow various governments.... Just as laws and tactics were changed to deal with organized crime because the then law was incapable of dealing with it, laws and tactics HAD TO BE changed for dealing with Radical Islams... They are stateless transnational groups seeking to overthrow existing governments, often backed by drug money, who existing law, national or inational have adequete means to deal with...
Perhaps I should ask, "why the hard on to avoid using the narrower definition of war here?"... As to Korea "Police Action" was employed for political reasons... Frankly after 1953, there was not much fighting... That was done only for 2-3 years... On Jun 2, 12:34 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > jgg, > > Use "armed conflict" or whatever. "Police action" was used for the > Korean War for freakin' decades. WHY is it so important to you what > word is used, why the hard-on for that particular word? > > On Jun 2, 10:41 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I agree the term "war" is overused.... However to suggest BECAUSE it > > is overused there is no war is a straw-man... Using the more > > restrictive definitions for war, the question remains "Are we at > > war?".... We disagree on the answer even as you refuse to affirm > > your position that we are NOT at war... > > > I will note that you here are guilty of selectively seeking to dilute > > the definition of war because of political correctness... > > > On Jun 2, 10:57 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > jgg, > > > > I'm telling you what happened, I am talking about the direct results > > > of using proper law enforcement investigative techniques. > > > War is a armed conflict between nations. The word has become a > > > political buzzword "war on drugs", "war on poverty", etc. etc. The > > > word war is used when politically convient. > > > > On Jun 2, 8:35 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >>> I merely pointed out that by using proper law enforcement > > > > >>> techniques the criminals/terrorists/bad guys/whatever were > > > > >>> captured, tried and imprisoned. > > > > > Can war be dealt with long term by "law enforcement techniques??? A > > > > fundamental disagreement.... The underling unstated assumption one > > > > hears is "We are NOT at war with Islamic Fundamentalism"... > > > > > After 9/11, Bush precieved the fundamental truth - we ARE at war with > > > > Islamic Radicalism because of their choice to wage war with us and > > > > other nations (China, Russia, India, Spain, Saudi Arabia, Kenya,,,,) > > > > Even though not a nation state, AQ precieved itself as it were 7th > > > > century Islam on the path to worldly conquest.... I note that Bush > > > > pre 9/11, Clinton, and the CIA all misunderstood the nature of the > > > > conflict prior to 2001... And not unlike 1948-52 with Russia, many > > > > Americans still misunderstand the nature of the conflict... > > > > > On Jun 1, 7:21 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > Don't care if it was the I.R.A. or the Boy Scouts. I merely pointed > > > > > out that by using proper law enforcement techniques the criminals/ > > > > > terrorists/bad guys/whatever were captured, tried and imprisoned. > > > > > > On Jun 1, 12:01 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > The first WTC bombing was an al Queda action. Omar Abdel Rahman > > > > > > acted > > > > > > on orders of al Queda commanders (bin Laden) and the guys who were > > > > > > convicted with him were stupid pawns who not only rented the van > > > > > > used > > > > > > in the bombing in their own name, they went back and tried to claim > > > > > > it > > > > > > was stolen. You call this "getting it done", when it comes to > > > > > > bringing > > > > > > the guys responsible for the bombing to justice? Worse than that, > > > > > > Clinton's people were so fixated on keeping intelligence and law > > > > > > enforcement from talking to each other for fear that it would harass > > > > > > illegal immigrants that they missed the seriousness and implications > > > > > > of the increasing frequency and ferocity of al Queda's attacks on > > > > > > our > > > > > > country. > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 12:31 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > Yeah he did treat it as a law enforcement problems. The result > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > catching, trying and jailing the men who did the first WTC > > > > > > > bombing. > > > > > > > Where's Osama? > > > > > > > Certainly not rotting in a U.S. Federal prison. > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 11:27 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I give credit where credit is due. Clinton gets credit for > > > > > > > > signing > > > > > > > > welfare reform (something which Obama is currently looking to > > > > > > > > reverse). I give Clinton credit for negotiating a much needed > > > > > > > > peace in > > > > > > > > Northern Ireland. But Clinton also treated an Islamic jihad > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > our country like it was an international law enforcement > > > > > > > > problem. One > > > > > > > > of his administrators, Jamie Gorelik, actively sought to deter > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > US law enforcement and intelligence agencies from sharing > > > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > Clinton's justice department threatened banks that resisted > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > risky loans and his administration pressured Fannie Mae and > > > > > > > > Freddie > > > > > > > > Mac to lower lending standards, which allowed poisonous, risky > > > > > > > > loans > > > > > > > > to be packaged with good loans into mortgage backed securities > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > would eventually collapse and bring the world financial > > > > > > > > industry down > > > > > > > > with them. > > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 11:45 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > > > Anything you DON'T wish you could blame Bill Clinton for? > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 8:59 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > How about this; what if terrorists hijack some planes and > > > > > > > > > > > ram them in buildings? > > > > > > > > > > > We can thank Mr. Clinton for inviting these terrorists into > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > country and letting them train > > > > > > > > > > here.....................right after we > > > > > > > > > > thank him and his perverted henchmen Franks and Dodd for > > > > > > > > > > causing a > > > > > > > > > > worldwide financial meltdown. > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 4:13 pm, studio <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 28, 5:06 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not under estimate Japan's willingness to build > > > > > > > > > > > > nukes IF they think > > > > > > > > > > > > America will not be there in 5 years... And Obama if > > > > > > > > > > > > he follows some > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Democratic Left's thought will do just that... > > > > > > > > > > > > And there is > > > > > > > > > > > > some in Japan openly questioning just that... > > > > > > > > > > > > Who is under estimating Japan's ability to build nukes? > > > > > > > > > > > Obama and/or the democratic party according to you and > > > > > > > > > > > the article? > > > > > > > > > > > Get real. > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, they'll sacrifice Japan and South Korea for better > > > > > > > > > > > China and > > > > > > > > > > > North Korea relations....you're living in a world of > > > > > > > > > > > fantasy paranoia. > > > > > > > > > > > You can thank Bush Jr. for that. > > > > > > > > > > > What if this, what if that....and none of your what if's > > > > > > > > > > > ever come > > > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > How about this; what if terrorists hijack some planes and > > > > > > > > > > > ram them in > > > > > > > > > > > buildings? > > > > > > > > > > > Ops, sorry, that already happened on Bush Jr's watch. > > > > > > > > > > > > What if the economy suffered a meltdown? > > > > > > > > > > > My bad, that already happened on Bush Jr's watch also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take the ABM technology. If Obama cuts thats that > > > > > > > > > > > > budget, Japan may > > > > > > > > > > > > think the US is NOT serious about the defense of > > > > > > > > > > > > Japan... Many in the > > > > > > > > > > > > Democratic Party want to cut this out of the budget... > > > > > > > > > > > > Problem is > > > > > > > > > > > > they just do not think in geo-political strategic > > > > > > > > > > > > terms... > > > > > > > > > > > > More paranoia fear mongering from the right as far as I > > > > > > > > > > > can see. > > > > > > > > > > > > And since when should a real Republican like you read > > > > > > > > > > > articles from a > > > > > > > > > > > phony > > > > > > > > > > > republican economic news service like Bloomberg news > > > > > > > > > > > covering military > > > > > > > > > > > strategy? > > > > > > > > > > > Shouldn't you be getting all your military strategy from > > > > > > > > > > > Rush > > > > > > > > > > > Limburger?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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