jgg, Yep, laws and tactics were changed to combat organized crime. Now you wish to talk about law enforcement and NOT war? I wish you'd make up your mind.
On Jun 2, 11:47 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > Why is it so hard for you to acept that this is not about policing, > but about groups who wish to overthrow various governments.... Just > as laws and tactics were changed to deal with organized crime because > the then law was incapable of dealing with it, laws and tactics HAD TO > BE changed for dealing with Radical Islams... They are stateless > transnational groups seeking to overthrow existing governments, often > backed by drug money, who existing law, national or inational have > adequete means to deal with... > > Perhaps I should ask, "why the hard on to avoid using the narrower > definition of war here?"... > > As to Korea "Police Action" was employed for political reasons... > Frankly after 1953, there was not much fighting... That was done > only for 2-3 years... > > On Jun 2, 12:34 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > jgg, > > > Use "armed conflict" or whatever. "Police action" was used for the > > Korean War for freakin' decades. WHY is it so important to you what > > word is used, why the hard-on for that particular word? > > > On Jun 2, 10:41 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I agree the term "war" is overused.... However to suggest BECAUSE it > > > is overused there is no war is a straw-man... Using the more > > > restrictive definitions for war, the question remains "Are we at > > > war?".... We disagree on the answer even as you refuse to affirm > > > your position that we are NOT at war... > > > > I will note that you here are guilty of selectively seeking to dilute > > > the definition of war because of political correctness... > > > > On Jun 2, 10:57 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > jgg, > > > > > I'm telling you what happened, I am talking about the direct results > > > > of using proper law enforcement investigative techniques. > > > > War is a armed conflict between nations. The word has become a > > > > political buzzword "war on drugs", "war on poverty", etc. etc. The > > > > word war is used when politically convient. > > > > > On Jun 2, 8:35 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >>> I merely pointed out that by using proper law enforcement > > > > > >>> techniques the criminals/terrorists/bad guys/whatever were > > > > > >>> captured, tried and imprisoned. > > > > > > Can war be dealt with long term by "law enforcement techniques??? A > > > > > fundamental disagreement.... The underling unstated assumption one > > > > > hears is "We are NOT at war with Islamic Fundamentalism"... > > > > > > After 9/11, Bush precieved the fundamental truth - we ARE at war with > > > > > Islamic Radicalism because of their choice to wage war with us and > > > > > other nations (China, Russia, India, Spain, Saudi Arabia, Kenya,,,,) > > > > > Even though not a nation state, AQ precieved itself as it were 7th > > > > > century Islam on the path to worldly conquest.... I note that Bush > > > > > pre 9/11, Clinton, and the CIA all misunderstood the nature of the > > > > > conflict prior to 2001... And not unlike 1948-52 with Russia, many > > > > > Americans still misunderstand the nature of the conflict... > > > > > > On Jun 1, 7:21 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > Don't care if it was the I.R.A. or the Boy Scouts. I merely pointed > > > > > > out that by using proper law enforcement techniques the criminals/ > > > > > > terrorists/bad guys/whatever were captured, tried and imprisoned. > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 12:01 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > The first WTC bombing was an al Queda action. Omar Abdel Rahman > > > > > > > acted > > > > > > > on orders of al Queda commanders (bin Laden) and the guys who were > > > > > > > convicted with him were stupid pawns who not only rented the van > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > in the bombing in their own name, they went back and tried to > > > > > > > claim it > > > > > > > was stolen. You call this "getting it done", when it comes to > > > > > > > bringing > > > > > > > the guys responsible for the bombing to justice? Worse than that, > > > > > > > Clinton's people were so fixated on keeping intelligence and law > > > > > > > enforcement from talking to each other for fear that it would > > > > > > > harass > > > > > > > illegal immigrants that they missed the seriousness and > > > > > > > implications > > > > > > > of the increasing frequency and ferocity of al Queda's attacks on > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > country. > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 12:31 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > > Yeah he did treat it as a law enforcement problems. The result > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > catching, trying and jailing the men who did the first WTC > > > > > > > > bombing. > > > > > > > > Where's Osama? > > > > > > > > Certainly not rotting in a U.S. Federal prison. > > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 11:27 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I give credit where credit is due. Clinton gets credit for > > > > > > > > > signing > > > > > > > > > welfare reform (something which Obama is currently looking to > > > > > > > > > reverse). I give Clinton credit for negotiating a much needed > > > > > > > > > peace in > > > > > > > > > Northern Ireland. But Clinton also treated an Islamic jihad > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > our country like it was an international law enforcement > > > > > > > > > problem. One > > > > > > > > > of his administrators, Jamie Gorelik, actively sought to > > > > > > > > > deter various > > > > > > > > > US law enforcement and intelligence agencies from sharing > > > > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > Clinton's justice department threatened banks that resisted > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > risky loans and his administration pressured Fannie Mae and > > > > > > > > > Freddie > > > > > > > > > Mac to lower lending standards, which allowed poisonous, > > > > > > > > > risky loans > > > > > > > > > to be packaged with good loans into mortgage backed > > > > > > > > > securities that > > > > > > > > > would eventually collapse and bring the world financial > > > > > > > > > industry down > > > > > > > > > with them. > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 11:45 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > > > > Anything you DON'T wish you could blame Bill Clinton for? > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 8:59 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about this; what if terrorists hijack some planes > > > > > > > > > > > > and ram them in buildings? > > > > > > > > > > > > We can thank Mr. Clinton for inviting these terrorists > > > > > > > > > > > into our > > > > > > > > > > > country and letting them train > > > > > > > > > > > here.....................right after we > > > > > > > > > > > thank him and his perverted henchmen Franks and Dodd for > > > > > > > > > > > causing a > > > > > > > > > > > worldwide financial meltdown. > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 4:13 pm, studio <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 28, 5:06 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not under estimate Japan's willingness to build > > > > > > > > > > > > > nukes IF they think > > > > > > > > > > > > > America will not be there in 5 years... And Obama > > > > > > > > > > > > > if he follows some > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Democratic Left's thought will do just that... > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there is > > > > > > > > > > > > > some in Japan openly questioning just that... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who is under estimating Japan's ability to build nukes? > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama and/or the democratic party according to you and > > > > > > > > > > > > the article? > > > > > > > > > > > > Get real. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, they'll sacrifice Japan and South Korea for > > > > > > > > > > > > better China and > > > > > > > > > > > > North Korea relations....you're living in a world of > > > > > > > > > > > > fantasy paranoia. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can thank Bush Jr. for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > What if this, what if that....and none of your what > > > > > > > > > > > > if's ever come > > > > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about this; what if terrorists hijack some planes > > > > > > > > > > > > and ram them in > > > > > > > > > > > > buildings? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ops, sorry, that already happened on Bush Jr's watch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > What if the economy suffered a meltdown? > > > > > > > > > > > > My bad, that already happened on Bush Jr's watch also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take the ABM technology. If Obama cuts thats that > > > > > > > > > > > > > budget, Japan may > > > > > > > > > > > > > think the US is NOT serious about the defense of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Japan... Many in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Democratic Party want to cut this out of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > budget... Problem is > > > > > > > > > > > > > they just do not think in geo-political strategic > > > > > > > > > > > > > terms... > > > > > > > > > > > > > More paranoia fear mongering from the right as far as I > > > > > > > > > > > > can see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since when should a real Republican like you read > > > > > > > > > > > > articles from a > > > > > > > > > > > > phony > > > > > > > > > > > > republican economic news service like Bloomberg news > > > > > > > > > > > > covering military > > > > > > > > > > > > strategy? > > > > > > > > > > > > Shouldn't you be getting all your military strategy > > > > > > > > > > > > from Rush > > > > > > > > > > > > Limburger?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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