It was built by the Germans. The US was not the big donor to Iraq during that period. In fact we were ranked 11th in what we supplied to them with our supplying less than 1% of their materiels, less than Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, and on a level with Luxembourg. That figure came from Jane's studies on war materiels and from the UN studies also.
He used gas on his own people and then was "falsely" accused of having gas for 25 years? What in the world does that even mean. It is less than 20 years since he used the gas on the Kurds. You really need to do some more checking on your stories. Way off!! As to the story of his WMD's that info was passed on to the country by a whole slew of Dems from Clinton on down (there was a list of quotations from over 20 of them right up until 2002 that was passed around on the websites a couple of years ago). I don't see you calling them on lying. They got their info from the same sources that Bush did. And he also got some from our allies as well. You also don't seem to have anything to say about Bubba asking for and getting permission to force a change in government in Iraq in 1998. He, as with most things, did nothing about it but he asked for and got the permission from Congress. Why was that? What made him ask for permission to force that event. There must have been some reason for it. I realize that it rather goes against the Dem talking points but it did happen. After all History did not start in 2001. THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote: > I didn't think he ahd gas or wmd's or nukes (though I Knew he was > sitting on a research reactor and a mountain of yellow cake) The > difference in time from having used and being falsely accused of > having gas was 25 years..... > > as far as building that reactor in Iraq... the US supplied and built > it AND donated the yellow cake as well..... You are right the US is a > danger even to itself. The only deluded person/people seems to be you > and Gringolandia. > > > > On Jul 18, 12:07 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> If there had been WMD, we wouldn't have gone in the way we did. >>> >> We thought he had poison gas. Our soldiers were equipped to confront >> it. >> >> Everybody thought he had WMDs, mostly because he not only HAD them but >> because he used them against his enemies. >> >> Oh and btw, Iraq is not now and never was a nuclear nation state >> >> Actually, they were. Iraq had completed construction of a nuclear >> reactor (That makes you a nuclear nation state) but Israel immediately >> blew it up. (Thank you Israel). >> >> Some people would say that a leader who builds a nuclear reactor >> despite worldwide protests and has and uses poison gas on neighboring >> countries and his own people was a dangerous guy. Other people like >> deluding themselves. >> >> On Jul 18, 1:42 pm, Frederick The Moderate >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> If there had been WMD, we wouldn't have gone in the way we did. Large, >>> tight formations are easy targets and we know that. Not to mention >>> that we would have sent a least one division to sweep and search the >>> area where we "knew" the WMD's were for residual (or any other) >>> evidence they ever existed. We never did. Not one peek. I'm former >>> navy intel and i can assure you, even though Bush screwed our Humint >>> network fro some time to come, we still would have been able to find >>> evidence - if believed it was ever there. >>> But I get it. You really, really, really want to believe there were >>> WMD's there. Okay. >>> >>> Oh and btw, Iraq is not now and never was a nuclear nation state but >>> again, if you really want to believe it is or was, okay dokey. >>> >>> Talk about wanting to believe lies. >>> >>> I've lost five friends in Iraq. All of them Psy-Ops and a couple Force >>> Recon. They've made it clear for years that Iraq will never appreciate >>> what we've done and no matter how long we're there, they'll regress >>> shortly after we leave. Two thousand years of culture. >>> Iraq has already made clear they view US as outsiders and went out of >>> the way to spit in Bush's face before he could get out of office. But >>> you believe what you want to believe. >>> >>> On Jul 18, 7:23 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> We also had the certainty that there really were no WMD's >>>>>>> >>>> Not true. >>>> >>>>>>> Urban warfare, their commitment to keep fighting people they viewed as >>>>>>> invaders, and the complete lack of any kind of >>>>>>> >>>> exit strategy, created a no-win situation. >>>> >>>> Once again you show little understanding... Both AQ and the >>>> Americans are outsiders... As is the harsh form of Radical Islam... >>>> As is the lowland Pakistani... The question here is not fighting the >>>> outsider BUT WHICH OUTSIDER... The exit strategy? Stability and a >>>> non Radical Islamic government in a nuclear nation-state... >>>> >>>>>>> I also agree with you on Afghanistan. The Russians border them. They >>>>>>> had easier access and more troops. No success. Tactics & technology >>>>>>> have done squat for us. Thus far, we've been successful only at blowing >>>>>>> up weddings and killing civilians. Lots of them. It's a mess >>>>>>> >>>> and a mistake and we should get out. >>>> >>>> Tactics and technology make a huge difference... As the fact the our >>>> WILLINGNESS and desire to be a long term occupying power is far less >>>> than the Russians or the Pakistanis as makes a difference... The >>>> Russian border aided in supplying their troops but harmed the "Soft >>>> Warfare" in being seen a a long term occupying power... >>>> >>>>>>> The only upside is at least we're actually going after people we have >>>>>>> truthful cause to go after. >>>>>>> >>>> Once again you proclaim Urban Lies... >>>> >>>> On Jul 18, 3:58 am, Frederick The Moderate >>>> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree with you about Iraq. We had so many sanctions on Iraq before >>>>> invading, they couldn't import dental equipment (because it could >>>>> possibly be modified for weapons use - go figure). We also had the >>>>> certainty that there really were no WMD's. So it was nothing to storm >>>>> right in. Like you said, cakewalk getting there. It was afterward the >>>>> problems started. Urban warfare, their commitment to keep fighting >>>>> people they viewed as invaders, and the complete lack of any kind of >>>>> exit strategy, created a no-win situation. >>>>> I also agree with you on Afghanistan. The Russians border them. They >>>>> had easier access and more troops. No success. Tactics & technology >>>>> have done squat for us. Thus far, we've been successful only at >>>>> blowing up weddings and killing civilians. Lots of them. It's a mess >>>>> and a mistake and we should get out. >>>>> The only upside is at least we're actually going after people we have >>>>> truthful cause to go after. >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 17, 11:40 pm, "d.b.baker" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Iraq was [almost] a cake walk, compared to what we face in >>>>>> Afghanistan. Even with enough troops (500,000 +/-), it'll take a >>>>>> generation to pacify Afghanistan - a mountainous moonscape the size of >>>>>> Texas covered with 70-million ants (nomads, warring tribes - barefoot, >>>>>> illiterate villages). There's nothing there to "rebuild," it's all >>>>>> from scratch. The people are suspicious of everything, even a simple, >>>>>> local hydro-pump to generate electricity. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then there's Pakistan, blood-brother to Afghanistan; we'll never >>>>>> subdue one without subduing the other. And by that time we'll be >>>>>> broke, no longer a viable nation - which makes the whole surge- >>>>>> strategy a lethal mistake.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>> >> - Show quoted text - >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
