That was my (sarcastic) point.
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > Nice try but my argument is much closer, factual and > relevent by virtue of the fact that it is closer in time to 9/11. We > had cause to terminate Osama in the mid 1990's til' now. Not so > before ! He simply was not our enemy at that time in history. That sir > is a historical fact. Clinton made a mistake in his indecision just as > previous administrations made mistakes with bad decisions. > > > ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************ > > On Jul 18, 10:34 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > We can go back in history if you like:... > > > > read more » > > > > If the CIA lead by Bush Sr. had not trained bin Laden and given him a > > permanant income source 9/11 never would have happened.... > > > > Had the Reagan administration kept its word to the Mujahadeen we would > > probably not need to be in Adghanistan either.... > > > > Had Washington lost to the Brits we'd all be talkin with a funny > accent... > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Mod-man, > > > > > It is well documented that Bubba screwed up! The CIA had > > > Osama in their sights waiting for Sandy Berger to give them the go > > > ahead with Bubba's order to do so. Hell Clinton himself has admitted > > > he screwed up. No! You are so thin skinned to even accept what the guy > > > ( Bubba ) himself acknowledged. If Osama had been terminated prior to > > > 9/11 there would in all likelihood not have been a 9/11, ergo ; no > > > Afghanistan and no Iraq war. Heck! Why do you think Berger went to the > > > archives in D.C. and steal the records on this matter? Duh ! To cover > > > up what he and Bubba did or did not do in this matter. It really was > > > all a matter of indecision on Clinton's part. A moment of indecision > > > that eventually was extremely costly > > > in both lives and national treasure. Now we have another liberal > > > genius in the white house who has that same trait of indecision AKA " > > > the Present of the United States Of America. > > > The [ id ] goes with the other word that describes him best " idiot > > > " . > > > > > > *************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > > > > On Jul 18, 8:38 pm, Frederick The Moderate > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > LOL! Clinton to blame for 9/11... .ROFL If only he'd had a memo or > > > > something! Say for instance, one that read "OBL plans to use > > > > commercial aircraft to attack the US". > > > > But I know, I know, it was CLINTON's fault! roflmao > > > > > > I love it when Liberals or Conservatives blinded by their ideology > > > > write that hysterical kind of bs. Just cracks me up! > > > > > > On Jul 18, 4:24 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > This whole argument can easily be put to an end ( if > were > > > > > looking for blame ) if Bubba had terminated Osama when the CIA had > him > > > > > in their sights in 1998. He ( Osama ) > > > > > would not have been around to plan 9/11, hence the course of > history > > > > > would have ( most likely ) been different. Suffice it to say > Clinton > > > > > did not act and more or less got caught with his pants down. No > 9/11; > > > > > no Afghan war & no Iraq war. The next thing I expect on this thread > is > > > > > that 9/11 had nothing to do with it. I will also remind you that > the > > > > > Iraq war no matter how you disagree with it was not illegal. The > > > > > Congress of the USA and numerous countries signed on. Just as there > > > > > were no WMD ( questionable ) there is no silver bullet against > either > > > > > George Bush or the CIA. > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 6:37 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Clinton did not commit the US to armed conflict... it was > prohibited > > > by a > > > > > > congress that had been told the truth.... > > > > > > > > read more » > > > > > > > > Further release date is NOT important.... it was signed in Sept. > of > > > 2006... > > > > > > no wiggle room there > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:52 PM, dick thompson < > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > What I threw out at you was info about the use of gas on the > Kurds > > > (true) > > > > > > > and about the fact that the US did not provide the nuclear > > > equipment that > > > > > > > Saddam had (true) and that Clinton signed a bill authorizing > him to > > > cause > > > > > > > regime change in Iraq (true). Also note that the chairman of > the > > > committee > > > > > > > was not a Republican, we have no idea of the bipartisan makeup > and > > > vote of > > > > > > > the committee, the report was released in 2008 (the Republicans > > > were not in > > > > > > > charge then). Also look back on the Senate report on 9/11 and > what > > > a load > > > > > > > of bull that one was! Why should I accept this then. > > > > > > > > > Mark wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes it was and you decided to try a history lesson on me and > throw > > > out some > > > > > > > "holier than thou" Gringo bullshit > > > > > > > > > again read the ONLY empiracal repoort done on this > > > > > > >http://intelligence.senate.gov/press/record.cfm?id=298775then > > > choke mon > > > > > > > your BS > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:31 PM, dick thompson < > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > >> The subject was AFghanistan and Iraq > > > > > > > > >> Mark wrote: > > > > > > > > >> how about the thirty oir so thousand that died in central > america > > > in the > > > > > > >> same time period at thands of alzheimer ronnie. ?? US forces > lead > > > by Felix > > > > > > >> Rodriguez (I know, I met him there) > > > > > > > > >> please read the republican dominated "senate intelligence > report" > > > from > > > > > > >> sept 2006 that says ALL the info you are trying to feed me now > is > > > pure > > > > > > >> BULLSHIT.... > > > > > > > > >> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> >Thedifference in time from having used and being falsely > accused > > > of > > > > > > >>> having gas was 25 years..... > > > > > > > > >>> Really?LOL! Did the thousands who died wretching deaths come > back > > > to > > > > > > >>> life in those 25 years? Did Saddam act like he'd become a > > > humanitarian > > > > > > >>> in those 25 years? Oh WAIT! Thats right! Saddam insisted that > he > > > still > > > > > > >>> HAD WMDs. Only when the UN sanctioned him did he say they > were > > > > > > >>> gone.....supplying no evidence of their disposal, of course. > > > > > > > > >>> >as far as building that reactor in Iraq... the US supplied > and > > > built > > > > > > >>> it AND donated the yellow cake as well..... > > > > > > > > >>> ROTFLMAO. You are either a very bad liar or a complete idiot. > I > > > think > > > > > > >>> both. Bye! > > > > > > > > >>> On Jul 18, 3:26 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>> > I didn't think he ahd gas or wmd's or nukes (though I Knew > he > > > was > > > > > > >>> > sitting on a research reactor and a mountain of yellow > cake) > > > The > > > > > > >>> > difference in time from having used and being falsely > accused > > > of > > > > > > >>> > having gas was 25 years..... > > > > > > > > >>> > as far as building that reactor in Iraq... the US supplied > and > > > built > > > > > > >>> > it AND donated the yellow cake as well..... You are right > the > > > US is a > > > > > > >>> > danger even to itself. The only deluded person/people > seems to > > > be you > > > > > > >>> > and Gringolandia. > > > > > > > > >>> > On Jul 18, 12:07 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> > > >If there had been WMD, we wouldn't have gone in the way > we > > > did. > > > > > > > > >>> > > We thought he had poison gas. Our soldiers were equipped > to > > > confront > > > > > > >>> > > it. > > > > > > > > >>> > > Everybody thought he had WMDs, mostly because he not only > HAD > > > them > > > > > > >>> but > > > > > > >>> > > because he used them against his enemies. > > > > > > > > >>> > > Oh and btw, Iraq is not now and never was a nuclear > nation > > > state > > > > > > > > >>> > > Actually, they were. Iraq had completed construction of a > > > nuclear > > > > > > >>> > > reactor (That makes you a nuclear nation state) but > Israel > > > > > > >>> immediately > > > > > > >>> > > blew it up. (Thank you Israel). > > > > > > > > >>> > > Some people would say that a leader who builds a nuclear > > > reactor > > > > > > >>> > > despite worldwide protests and has and uses poison gas on > > > neighboring > > > > > > >>> > > countries and his own people was a dangerous guy. Other > > > people like > > > > > > >>> > > deluding themselves. > > > > > > > > >>> > > On Jul 18, 1:42 pm, Frederick The Moderate > > > > > > > > >>> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > > If there had been WMD, we wouldn't have gone in the way > we > > > did. > > > > > > >>> Large, > > > > > > >>> > > > tight formations are easy targets and we know that. Not > to > > > mention > > > > > > >>> > > > that we would have sent a least one division to sweep > and > > > search > > > > > > >>> the > > > > > > >>> > > > area where we "knew" the WMD's were for residual (or > any > > > other) > > > > > > >>> > > > evidence they ever existed. We never did. Not one peek. > I'm > > > former > > > > > > >>> > > > navy intel and i can assure you, even though Bush > screwed > > > our > > > > > > >>> Humint > > > > > > >>> > > > network fro some time to come, we still would have been > > > able to > > > > > > >>> find > > > > > > >>> > > > evidence - if believed it was ever there. > > > > > > >>> > > > But I get it. You really, really, really want to > believe > > > there were > > > > > > >>> > > > WMD's there. Okay. > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Oh and btw, Iraq is not now and never was a nuclear > nation > > > state > > > > > > >>> but > > > > > > >>> > > > again, if you really want to believe it is or was, okay > > > dokey. > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Talk about wanting to believe lies. > > > > > > > > >>> > > > I've lost five friends in Iraq. All of them Psy-Ops and > a > > > couple > > > > > > >>> Force > > > > > > >>> > > > Recon. They've made it clear for years that Iraq will > never > > > > > > >>> appreciate > > > > > > >>> > > > what we've done and no matter how long we're there, > they'll > > > regress > > > > > > >>> > > > shortly after we leave. Two thousand years of culture. > > > > > > >>> > > > Iraq has already made clear they view US as outsiders > and > > > went out > > > > > > >>> of > > > > > > >>> > > > the way to spit in Bush's face before he could get out > of > > > office. > > > > > > >>> But > > > > > > >>> > > > you believe what you want to believe. > > > > > > > > >>> > > > On Jul 18, 7:23 am,- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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