Hi Mark,
Nice try but my argument is much closer, factual and
relevent by virtue of the fact that it is closer in time to 9/11. We
had cause to terminate Osama in the mid 1990's til' now. Not so
before ! He simply was not our enemy at that time in history. That sir
is a historical fact. Clinton made a mistake in his indecision just as
previous administrations made mistakes with bad decisions.
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On Jul 18, 10:34 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> We can go back in history if you like:...
>
> read more »
>
> If the CIA lead by Bush Sr. had not trained bin Laden and given him a
> permanant income source 9/11 never would have happened....
>
> Had the Reagan administration kept its word to the Mujahadeen we would
> probably not need to be in Adghanistan either....
>
> Had Washington lost to the Brits we'd all be talkin with a funny accent...
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Mod-man,
>
> > It is well documented that Bubba screwed up! The CIA had
> > Osama in their sights waiting for Sandy Berger to give them the go
> > ahead with Bubba's order to do so. Hell Clinton himself has admitted
> > he screwed up. No! You are so thin skinned to even accept what the guy
> > ( Bubba ) himself acknowledged. If Osama had been terminated prior to
> > 9/11 there would in all likelihood not have been a 9/11, ergo ; no
> > Afghanistan and no Iraq war. Heck! Why do you think Berger went to the
> > archives in D.C. and steal the records on this matter? Duh ! To cover
> > up what he and Bubba did or did not do in this matter. It really was
> > all a matter of indecision on Clinton's part. A moment of indecision
> > that eventually was extremely costly
> > in both lives and national treasure. Now we have another liberal
> > genius in the white house who has that same trait of indecision AKA "
> > the Present of the United States Of America.
> > The [ id ] goes with the other word that describes him best " idiot
> > " .
>
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>
> > On Jul 18, 8:38 pm, Frederick The Moderate
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > LOL! Clinton to blame for 9/11... .ROFL If only he'd had a memo or
> > > something! Say for instance, one that read "OBL plans to use
> > > commercial aircraft to attack the US".
> > > But I know, I know, it was CLINTON's fault! roflmao
>
> > > I love it when Liberals or Conservatives blinded by their ideology
> > > write that hysterical kind of bs. Just cracks me up!
>
> > > On Jul 18, 4:24 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > This whole argument can easily be put to an end ( if were
> > > > looking for blame ) if Bubba had terminated Osama when the CIA had him
> > > > in their sights in 1998. He ( Osama )
> > > > would not have been around to plan 9/11, hence the course of history
> > > > would have ( most likely ) been different. Suffice it to say Clinton
> > > > did not act and more or less got caught with his pants down. No 9/11;
> > > > no Afghan war & no Iraq war. The next thing I expect on this thread is
> > > > that 9/11 had nothing to do with it. I will also remind you that the
> > > > Iraq war no matter how you disagree with it was not illegal. The
> > > > Congress of the USA and numerous countries signed on. Just as there
> > > > were no WMD ( questionable ) there is no silver bullet against either
> > > > George Bush or the CIA.
>
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>
> > > > On Jul 18, 6:37 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Clinton did not commit the US to armed conflict... it was prohibited
> > by a
> > > > > congress that had been told the truth....
>
> > > > > read more »
>
> > > > > Further release date is NOT important.... it was signed in Sept. of
> > 2006...
> > > > > no wiggle room there
>
> > > > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:52 PM, dick thompson <
> > [email protected]>wrote:
>
> > > > > > What I threw out at you was info about the use of gas on the Kurds
> > (true)
> > > > > > and about the fact that the US did not provide the nuclear
> > equipment that
> > > > > > Saddam had (true) and that Clinton signed a bill authorizing him to
> > cause
> > > > > > regime change in Iraq (true). Also note that the chairman of the
> > committee
> > > > > > was not a Republican, we have no idea of the bipartisan makeup and
> > vote of
> > > > > > the committee, the report was released in 2008 (the Republicans
> > were not in
> > > > > > charge then). Also look back on the Senate report on 9/11 and what
> > a load
> > > > > > of bull that one was! Why should I accept this then.
>
> > > > > > Mark wrote:
>
> > > > > > Yes it was and you decided to try a history lesson on me and throw
> > out some
> > > > > > "holier than thou" Gringo bullshit
>
> > > > > > again read the ONLY empiracal repoort done on this
> > > > > >http://intelligence.senate.gov/press/record.cfm?id=298775then
> > choke mon
> > > > > > your BS
>
> > > > > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:31 PM, dick thompson <
> > [email protected]>wrote:
>
> > > > > >> The subject was AFghanistan and Iraq
>
> > > > > >> Mark wrote:
>
> > > > > >> how about the thirty oir so thousand that died in central america
> > in the
> > > > > >> same time period at thands of alzheimer ronnie. ?? US forces lead
> > by Felix
> > > > > >> Rodriguez (I know, I met him there)
>
> > > > > >> please read the republican dominated "senate intelligence report"
> > from
> > > > > >> sept 2006 that says ALL the info you are trying to feed me now is
> > pure
> > > > > >> BULLSHIT....
>
> > > > > >> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > >>> >Thedifference in time from having used and being falsely accused
> > of
> > > > > >>> having gas was 25 years.....
>
> > > > > >>> Really?LOL! Did the thousands who died wretching deaths come back
> > to
> > > > > >>> life in those 25 years? Did Saddam act like he'd become a
> > humanitarian
> > > > > >>> in those 25 years? Oh WAIT! Thats right! Saddam insisted that he
> > still
> > > > > >>> HAD WMDs. Only when the UN sanctioned him did he say they were
> > > > > >>> gone.....supplying no evidence of their disposal, of course.
>
> > > > > >>> >as far as building that reactor in Iraq... the US supplied and
> > built
> > > > > >>> it AND donated the yellow cake as well.....
>
> > > > > >>> ROTFLMAO. You are either a very bad liar or a complete idiot. I
> > think
> > > > > >>> both. Bye!
>
> > > > > >>> On Jul 18, 3:26 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >>> > I didn't think he ahd gas or wmd's or nukes (though I Knew he
> > was
> > > > > >>> > sitting on a research reactor and a mountain of yellow cake)
> > The
> > > > > >>> > difference in time from having used and being falsely accused
> > of
> > > > > >>> > having gas was 25 years.....
>
> > > > > >>> > as far as building that reactor in Iraq... the US supplied and
> > built
> > > > > >>> > it AND donated the yellow cake as well..... You are right the
> > US is a
> > > > > >>> > danger even to itself. The only deluded person/people seems to
> > be you
> > > > > >>> > and Gringolandia.
>
> > > > > >>> > On Jul 18, 12:07 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > >>> > > >If there had been WMD, we wouldn't have gone in the way we
> > did.
>
> > > > > >>> > > We thought he had poison gas. Our soldiers were equipped to
> > confront
> > > > > >>> > > it.
>
> > > > > >>> > > Everybody thought he had WMDs, mostly because he not only HAD
> > them
> > > > > >>> but
> > > > > >>> > > because he used them against his enemies.
>
> > > > > >>> > > Oh and btw, Iraq is not now and never was a nuclear nation
> > state
>
> > > > > >>> > > Actually, they were. Iraq had completed construction of a
> > nuclear
> > > > > >>> > > reactor (That makes you a nuclear nation state) but Israel
> > > > > >>> immediately
> > > > > >>> > > blew it up. (Thank you Israel).
>
> > > > > >>> > > Some people would say that a leader who builds a nuclear
> > reactor
> > > > > >>> > > despite worldwide protests and has and uses poison gas on
> > neighboring
> > > > > >>> > > countries and his own people was a dangerous guy. Other
> > people like
> > > > > >>> > > deluding themselves.
>
> > > > > >>> > > On Jul 18, 1:42 pm, Frederick The Moderate
>
> > > > > >>> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > >>> > > > If there had been WMD, we wouldn't have gone in the way we
> > did.
> > > > > >>> Large,
> > > > > >>> > > > tight formations are easy targets and we know that. Not to
> > mention
> > > > > >>> > > > that we would have sent a least one division to sweep and
> > search
> > > > > >>> the
> > > > > >>> > > > area where we "knew" the WMD's were for residual (or any
> > other)
> > > > > >>> > > > evidence they ever existed. We never did. Not one peek. I'm
> > former
> > > > > >>> > > > navy intel and i can assure you, even though Bush screwed
> > our
> > > > > >>> Humint
> > > > > >>> > > > network fro some time to come, we still would have been
> > able to
> > > > > >>> find
> > > > > >>> > > > evidence - if believed it was ever there.
> > > > > >>> > > > But I get it. You really, really, really want to believe
> > there were
> > > > > >>> > > > WMD's there. Okay.
>
> > > > > >>> > > > Oh and btw, Iraq is not now and never was a nuclear nation
> > state
> > > > > >>> but
> > > > > >>> > > > again, if you really want to believe it is or was, okay
> > dokey.
>
> > > > > >>> > > > Talk about wanting to believe lies.
>
> > > > > >>> > > > I've lost five friends in Iraq. All of them Psy-Ops and a
> > couple
> > > > > >>> Force
> > > > > >>> > > > Recon. They've made it clear for years that Iraq will never
> > > > > >>> appreciate
> > > > > >>> > > > what we've done and no matter how long we're there, they'll
> > regress
> > > > > >>> > > > shortly after we leave. Two thousand years of culture.
> > > > > >>> > > > Iraq has already made clear they view US as outsiders and
> > went out
> > > > > >>> of
> > > > > >>> > > > the way to spit in Bush's face before he could get out of
> > office.
> > > > > >>> But
> > > > > >>> > > > you believe what you want to believe.
>
> > > > > >>> > > > On Jul 18, 7:23 am,- Hide quoted text -
>
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