Lonely,
If capitalism is that bad, why is it every
parasite liberal " sponge monkey " keeps sucking off of it ? ?
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On Aug 5, 11:27 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Understand—there is nothing new or mysterious in what Mises
> advocates.
> I am very familiar with Mises and the Austrian school.
>
> The resurgence in interest in the work of this intellectual pygmy is
> no mystery at all. Tens of millions of capitalist apologists who
> cannot bring themselves to accept the failure of capitalism have
> desperately turned to the Austrian school in the hope that a solution
> can be found to the current crisis that will see America retain its
> position of pre-eminence. Vane hopes
>
> Capitalism is wrought within inner contradictions that cannot be
> resolved, whether you adopt the economic policies of Keynes, Freidman
> or Mises. If you really understood political economy, you would know
> that Mises proposals not only do not resolve these contradictions but
> actually exacerbate them.
>
> The turn to Mises and the accusations of socialist Obama are the
> response of desperate individuals to blame something else for the
> failure
> of capitalism.
>
> On Aug 6, 9:11 am, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I doubt you could understand Mises
>
> > And you can't spell
>
> > Another internet tard
>
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:55 PM, "Lone Wolf" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Ha--The only people more desperate (and stupid) to blame the failure
> > > of capitalism on socialism than conservatives are Libertarians--are
> > > you one of them?
>
> > > You read too much Lee Rockwell and Von Mises--two of the biggest
> > > economic idiots in the history of mankind. There are no stocks and
> > > bonds--no stock exchange under socialist socio-economic relations.
> > > Conservatives and Libertarians are forever attempting to potray
> > > socialism as a rework, a reformed capitalism.
>
> > > Socialism requires the complete ownership of all industry and natural
> > > resources by the workers and the abolishment of all nations
> > > states......ie no more America, China etc. (to call Socialists
> > > statists it a further display of abysmal ignorance)
>
> > > If you are going to criticize something at least criticize what it
> > > is.ie what socialist are advocating, instead of basing your inane
> > > comments on Lew Rockwell disinformation.
>
> > > On Aug 6, 7:30 am, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > yea yea yea
>
> > > > then socialism is capitalism where workers can buy stocks,i.e., it is
> > > > capitalism
>
> > > > and Obama is a statist, which is what all socialists are
>
> > > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:29 PM, "Lone Wolf" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Why Obama is no socialist
>
> > > > > by Steven Strauss
>
> > > > > Obama's no socialist. Socialism is a not-for-profit economic system
> > > > > under workers' control, whose purpose is to meet the needs of the
> > > > > majority of people. Everyone shares the abundance they produce.
> > > > > Decisions are made democratically, through genuine participation from
> > > > > the producers.
>
> > > > > The new U.S. president would be the first to agree this is not what he
> > > > > stands for. In this time of economic crisis, Obama's job is to rescue
> > > > > the profit system. He calls for "more competitive" U.S. corporations.
> > > > > In other words, autoworkers and others should give up even more of
> > > > > their pensions, wages, health insurance and retiree benefits, in order
> > > > > to be "competitive" with anti-union, low-wage companies at home and
> > > > > abroad.
>
> > > > > Obama's economists find billions of taxpayer's dollars to bail out the
> > > > > bankers and brokers, but have no plan to provide universal employment
> > > > > and retirement security. His healthcare plan is the same as today's —
> > > > > profit-based for the welfare of insurance companies. He is silent on
> > > > > the racist U.S. justice system, and on Mumia Abu-Jamal, the radical
> > > > > Black journalist framed for murder during the Reagan era.
>
> > > > > Obama wants to leave 50,000 U.S. troops in oil-rich Iraq and expand
> > > > > military operations in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
>
> > > > > What socialism is not. Socialist-haters and skeptics typically
> > > > > proclaim that: • Socialism is big government — by definition
> > > > > inefficient and invasive. • Socialism's aim is to "redistribute" the
> > > > > wealth, by stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. • Socialism
> > > > > leads to widespread loss of democracy and personal liberty. •
> > > > > Socialism is impossible because it's against "me-first" human nature.
>
> > > > > This is not what socialists stand for.
>
> > > > > The big government myth. Capitalist politicians, whether Republican or
> > > > > Democrat, have no problem with "big government." Their trillion-dollar
> > > > > war budgets and bank bailouts are as big as it gets.
>
> > > > > The real question isn't size. It's whose side is the government on?
>
> > > > > A socialist government takes the side of working people, and stands
> > > > > with everyone assaulted by racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, and
> > > > > bigotry of any kind.
>
> > > > > A socialist government's job is to create full employment by building
> > > > > excellent schools and hospitals, safe and efficient public
> > > > > transportation, affordable and comfortable housing, and inventive
> > > > > cultural and recreational facilities. In a socialist society, there
> > > > > would be no corporations destroying the environment for profit. Labor
> > > > > saving technology would reduce the workday, not the standard of
> > > > > living.
>
> > > > > A socialist government, because it does not depend on profit to exist,
> > > > > would never turn off anybody's gas and electricity, tolerate
> > > > > homelessness and hunger, or deny medical care for lack of insurance.
>
> > > > > This advanced way of life has not yet been realized anywhere
>
> > > > > Redistribution of wealth. All social wealth is created by working
> > > > > people. But capitalists own the giant factories, mines, farms, banks,
> > > > > and transportation and communication systems. So after wageworkers
> > > > > produce cars, food, buildings, and computers, owners take possession
> > > > > of them, sell the products on the market, and pocket the income.
>
> > > > > The owners and CEOs then pay workers as little as they can get away
> > > > > with. What they call their legitimate profit is produced entirely by
> > > > > the workers.
>
> > > > > According to the AFL-CIO, Bank of America's "CEO Kenneth Lewis
> > > > > collected nearly $10 million in 2008, more than 400 times the average
> > > > > amount a bank teller is paid each year." Socialists call for returning
> > > > > this stolen wealth to the producers.
>
> > > > > Thus, it is the capitalist class that "redistributes" the wealth, away
> > > > > from those who produced it, to the parasites who didn't.
>
> > > > > The question of liberty. Capitalism is built on the denial of liberty
> > > > > to the majority of human beings — working people. This begins in the
> > > > > workplace itself, where wage earners are told what to do by a
> > > > > management they never voted for, and which certainly does not
> > > > > represent their interests.
>
> > > > > This profit-driven economic dictatorship is the reason bosses have
> > > > > employed barely-paid six-year-olds to work nearly 20 hours a day. It's
> > > > > why we have forced overtime, speedup, and poverty wages for women,
> > > > > people of color and immigrants. It's why bosses dump their toxic
> > > > > wastes in rivers and lakes, just so many toilet bowls to them.
>
> > > > > In a socialist economy, the working class will determine, from the
> > > > > workplace on up, what needs to be produced and how to fairly
> > > > > distribute it. Economic plans will be proposed, debated, carried out,
> > > > > critiqued, and improved.
>
> > > > > This is economic democracy. Had it been in place, the levees in New
> > > > > Orleans would have been repaired long before Hurricane Katrina hit!
>
> > > > > It was in place in the early days of the Russian Revolution, when
> > > > > workers' councils (soviets) made decisions about working conditions.
> > > > > Cuba has one of the world's most advanced healthcare systems precisely
> > > > > because the Cuban majority demand that their medical needs be met, and
> > > > > no private healthcare profiteers can stand in the way.
>
> > > > > Is human nature innately selfish? Capitalist apologists say that
> > > > > socialism can't work because it flies in the face of human nature.
> > > > > People are inherently greedy, selfish, and downright nasty.
>
> > > > > To think that human beings are biologically incapable of creating a
> > > > > world without wars, poverty, and bigotry must make one wonder where
> > > > > such genes came from. Perhaps we are all mutants, since
> > > > > anthropologists have long pointed out that the earliest of human
> > > > > societies were communal, generally peaceful, and shared all they had.
>
> > > > > Try asking yourself this question: Am I basically hungry for money,
> > > > > self-indulgent, and insensitive to the suffering of others? Or do I
> > > > > want friendship, loving relationships, and to contribute to the common
> > > > > good?
>
> > > > > Money lust and egotism appear normal only in the world of big
> > > > > business. Outside that, U.S. workers are exceptionally generous,
> > > > > giving what little they have to a variety of "good causes." People
> > > > > march to raise funds for cancer and AIDS. Neighbors help each other
> > > > > through earthquakes, hurricanes and tornadoes.
>
> > > > > This is called solidarity. And that's what is inherent in human
> > > > > nature, emerging spontaneously every day, everywhere. Socialism
> > > > > thrives on it. As pioneer socialist feminist Clara Fraser said in the
> > > > > dedication of her book Revolution She Wrote, "the act of fighting
> > > > > injustice is full of hope and joy when it is viewed as a slice of an
> > > > > innate historical tradition, an ancient reaching out for universal
>
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