They would be on their way OUT if we had passed ANY law. DUH! On Aug 5, 11:00 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > VT, > > You say " reform " I say it's "amnesty ". So why do > law abiding citizens have to pay for 12 to 15 million " illegal alien > immigrants " health care, welfare, schooling or anything else. THEY > ARE HERE "ILLEGALALLY" DUHHH! > > ****************************************************************************************************************************************** > > On Aug 5, 9:40 pm, VT VirtualTruth <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The GOP stopped ANY reform from happening and NOW > > you are bitching because there is STILL a illegal immigration > > problem! DUH! > > > So the GOP is trying the same thing with Health Care Reform, > > and if they manage to STOP all reform I can see you bitching in > > 7 years when Medicaid and Medicare become insolvent because > > of the baby boomers retiring about why didn't the Government > > fix health care! > > > On Aug 5, 8:58 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > VT, > > > > The repubs did not block any immigration laws, ( I > > > guess you mean amnesty ). It is the " illegal alien Immigrants who > > > have broken the laws. Now you and the other " sponge monkey " > > > parasites want to give them free healthcare. DUHHHH! > > > ********************************************************************************* > > > > VT, > > > > No! I mean redistribution of wealth by a socialist > > > taking the hard earned money of the middle working class and giving > > > it to parasite liberal " sponge monkeys " continuously looking for > > > handouts like ACORN, unions, "illegal alien immigrants" and the rest > > > of of the non working liberal class. > > > > ********************************************************************************** > > > > On Aug 5, 7:34 pm, VT VirtualTruth <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > IF the Republicans had not blocked the Immigration > > > > laws, the issue of paying for illegal immigrants would > > > > be mote. > > > > > Republicans never looked for a way to pay for the Medicare > > > > Drug Prescription Program, but now they are fiscal conservatives! > > > > Preventative care will save $Trillions long term during the Baby > > > > Boomer retirement. > > > > > Redistribution of wealth? You mean taking trillions from working class > > > > Americans and giving it to the Wealthiest Americans in ill conceived > > > > and vote buying tax cuts during war time? > > > > > The GOP is playing the race baiting card HARD! You just did it > > > > yourself! > > > > > Tax Cheats! What about off shore tax havens that the GOP > > > > refused to regulate? > > > > > On Aug 4, 11:57 am, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > VT, > > > > > > 1. [ cost ]...... why should we pay > > > > > for health care for 12 to 14 million ( illegal alien immigrants ) > > > > > that is $230,000,000,000 extra in cost over ten years. > > > > > > 2. No way to pay for it unless taxes > > > > > for the working middle class goes up. Obama also wants to tax my > > > > > health care benefits at work. > > > > > > 3. Obama's Redistribution of wealth > > > > > dogma is an anti-American pro-socialist approach and is a catalyst for > > > > > revolt > > > > > > 4. Playing the race/class card to > > > > > steal from the middle working & upper classes and not ( unions and > > > > > minority organizations ) is based on " divisiveness & hate " by > > > > > liberal fear mongers like you. > > > > > > 5. Hypocrite liberal " tax cheats " > > > > > like Geithner, Sebelius, Rangle, Dodd and Frank have no moral right to > > > > > impose taxes on the American people and neither do you or guys like > > > > > Holly. > > > > > > ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > > > > > On Aug 3, 3:58 pm, VT Sean Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Health Care Reform is NEEDED NOW! > > > > > > The Republican party is becoming the party of hatred and the > > > > > > destruction of the American dream. > > > > > > > Sean Lewis > > > > > > August 3, 2009 > > > > > > > 1) Minimal basic coverage for the unemployed and uninsured. > > > > > > > 2) Preventative care to lower future costs > > > > > > > 3) Restructure Medicare and Medicaid so they don't go bankrupt. > > > > > > > Who could possibly be against this reform? > > > > > > > Republicans! > > > > > > > Republicans had control of the last 8 years of the > > > > > > US political system, with Bush having veto > > > > > > power for all eight and the GOP control of the > > > > > > Congress for 6 years. The result was the almost > > > > > > complete destruction of the US economy. > > > > > > > The country was on the brink of complete collapse > > > > > > the last quarter of the Bush Administration. An > > > > > > Administration and party that was in complete > > > > > > denial there was a problem with the economy. > > > > > > > It was with the last minute infusion of over $1 Trillion > > > > > > in a single quarter that saved the country from another > > > > > > Depression type collapse. > > > > > > > When economic pollicies almost end in complete > > > > > > collapse, in my book that means FAILURE! Why > > > > > > take advice from people who almost detroyed the > > > > > > very thing America needed to stay strong? > > > > > > > The effects are still being felt 3 quarters later, however > > > > > > we have steered away from the edge by NEW Democratic > > > > > > Leadership. > > > > > > > There is no longer talk of the US facing economic collapse, > > > > > > in fact there is talk of a stock market BULL rally. > > > > > > > Yet Republicans are using everything in their political > > > > > > arsenal to stop the Democrats and the Country itself > > > > > > from succeeding. > > > > > > > The lunatic fringe of the GOP are using lies, scare tactics, > > > > > > hatred and race baiting to focus the attention of the country > > > > > > away from healing and recovery to more of the same of the last > > > > > > 8 years. Division, strife, class warfare and most recently > > > > > > racism. > > > > > > > The latest obstruction to US recovery is healthcare reform. > > > > > > > Under the Bush Administration more people have entered the > > > > > > uninsured rolls, the costs associated with the Social Programs > > > > > > of Medicare, Medicaid have risen unchecked and even increased > > > > > > due to the one 'FIX' Republicans attempted, the Medicare > > > > > > Prescription > > > > > > Drug program that did not help anyone who was not insured and > > > > > > cost $850 Billion a year at it's inception, this figure > > > > > > will climb as the Baby boomers retire all to give Viagra to the > > > > > > pension > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > The Republicans rather than fixing the healthcare system actually > > > > > > have hurried up it's demise. Because of what the Republicans have > > > > > > done, > > > > > > Medicare and Medicaid will go bankrupt FASTER and the Baby Boomers > > > > > > will be left with FEWER options if any! > > > > > > > The Democrats are trying to fix this with reform in the form > > > > > > of preventative care, which will lower FUTURE costs of medical care. > > > > > > > Costs control by forcing the insurance and drug companies to offer > > > > > > lower priced care through competition. > > > > > > > Finally actually offering Minimal low cost coverage for the > > > > > > uninsured > > > > > > and unemployed! > > > > > > > Without these changes the fate of Healthcare will be similar to the > > > > > > collapse of the economy in the fall of 2008! > > > > > > > So the GOP is using scare tactics similar to the tactics to get > > > > > > this country into war with Iraq. Scare Tactics based on lies, half > > > > > > truths > > > > > > and misinformation. > > > > > > > The GOP is using their shock troops who still believe that President > > > > > > Obama > > > > > > was not born in the US despite overwhelming evidence to the > > > > > > contrary! > > > > > > > These individuals are now using the same Birther reasoning to shout > > > > > > abuse at town halls in an attempt to show Congress that America is > > > > > > against Health care reform. > > > > > > > These are the same people who thought.... > > > > > > > There were WMD's. > > > > > > > Terri Schiavo was not brain dead. > > > > > > > The was a connection between Iraq and 9/11. > > > > > > > Al qaeda was in Iraq before the Iraq Invasion. > > > > > > > Spying on Americans without a warrant is not against the law. > > > > > > > The White House was not responsible for the Treasonous release > > > > > > of a covert CIA Operatives identity. > > > > > > > The US not tortured Iraqis, some to death, and if they did it was to > > > > > > protect > > > > > > Americans, not to find a connection between Iraq and 9/11. > > > > > > > Bush did protect Americans from the 9/11 attack > > > > > > even after ignoring several dozen warnings of a pending attack. > > > > > > > I can go on and on , but lets skip to the latest lunatic fringe > > > > > > far right conspiracy which once again ignores the truth and the > > > > > > facts to tell the LIE, Obama is not an Native born American. > > > > > > The facts, a certified birth certificate and birth announcements > > > > > > in local papers announcing Obama's birth seem not to matter > > > > > > to the hate driven core racist of the GOP, the fools who believe > > > > > > ignorance trumps intelligence, and incompetence arrogance and > > > > > > ignorance are forgivable even if it costs American lives > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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