The oath of allegiance is: "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign ... --- they simply lie it's why they can't be trusted
On Nov 1, 8:56 pm, Mustang <[email protected]> wrote: > The oath of allegiance is: > "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce > and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, > potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a > subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the > Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all > enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and > allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United > States when required by the law; that I will perform > noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when > required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance > under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this > obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; > so help me God." > > ________________________________ > From: Mustang <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 6:41:14 PM > Subject: Re: Why no military draft? > > If you become a naturalized American citizen, what do you care what your > FORMER homeland wants? > > ________________________________ > From: THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> > To: PoliticalForum <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 5:46:15 PM > Subject: Re: Why no military draft? > > Mustang, I am one of those "Wretched People". What you do is leave us > alone. There are a LOT of nations who do not allow their citizens to > renounce as the US does (and demands of those whose home countries > allow for it). > > What MORE can you do ?? > > On Nov 1, 7:09 pm, Mustang <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know what we do about the "wretched people" who come to our > > shores, become U.S. citizens, and still keep their citizenship to their > > former land where they don't want to live? What about all the middle > > Easterners who are now US citizens? > > > ________________________________ > > From: plainolamerican <[email protected]> > > To: PoliticalForum <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 2:43:01 PM > > Subject: Why no military draft? > > > because some people know how to say no > > > Today, non-citizen males of appropriate age in the United States, who > > are permanent residents (holders of Green Cards), seasonal > > agricultural workers, refugees, parolees, asylees, and even illegal > > immigrants, are required to register with the Selective Service System. > > [78] Refusal to do so is grounds for denial of a future citizenship > > application. In addition, immigrants who seek to naturalize as > > citizens must, as part of the Oath of Citizenship, swear to the > > following: > > > ... that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required > > by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed > > forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will > > perform work of national importance under civilian direction when > > required by the law;[79] > > > The USCIS website also states however: > > > In some cases, USCIS allows the oath to be taken without the clauses: > > ". . .that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when > > required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed > > Forces of the United States when required by law...." > > > Non-citizens who serve in the United States military enjoy several > > naturalization benefits which are unavailable to non-citizens who do > > not, such as a waiver of application fees.[80] Permanent resident > > aliens who die while serving in the U.S. Armed Forces may be > > naturalized posthumously, which may be beneficial to surviving family > > members.[81] > > ---------- > > US Presidential candidate Barack Hussein Obama said on September 13th > > that his job as president would include demanding that the American > > people recognize an “obligation” for military service. “If we are > > going into war, then all of us go, not just some,” Obama declared at > > an evening forum on national service at Columbia University in New > > York City. > > ---- > > Army recruiters were told to recruit among gang members to fill out > > numbers of troops in the Iraq War. > > >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/200... > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/washington/07recruit.html?partner=r... > > >http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/29/eveningnews/main3108597.shtml > > --- > > > Sep. 15, 2009 > > E.B. SOLOMONT, Jerusalem Post Correspondent in New York , THE > > JERUSALEM POST > > > Two Israeli women who are refusing mandatory army duty have kicked off > > a North American speaking tour and plan to take their story to more > > than a dozen college campuses in the next month. > > > Hoping to highlight their opposition to Israel's policies toward > > Palestinians, Maya Wind and Netta Mishly, both 19, will appeal to > > their American counterparts during their "Why We Refuse" tour from > > September 12 to October 10. Both women describe themselves as > > Shministim, a group of high school seniors who refuse to serve in the > > IDF. > > > "We believe it is important to spread information about the Israeli > > occupation and about the movements that work against it," stated Wind, > > who said that she was detained for 40 days because of her refusal to > > serve in the IDF. She was released in March. "We hope to empower > > people our age to take responsibility by taking a more active role in > > the resistance movements," she said. > > > Their month long tour is being organized by the Jewish Voice for > > Peace. According to their itinerary, the young women will visit more > > than a dozen schools in California, New York and Washington DC, > > starting with the University of California, Hastings on Monday and > > finishing with the University of Maryland on October 8. They will make > > stops at Cornell, Columbia, New York University, Brown, Brandeis and > > other schools on the way. > > > "There's a lot of interest outside of Israel to understand what's > > happening inside, how different people express their opposition to > > what's happening," said Sydney Levy, the campaigns director of Jewish > > Voice for Peace. Last year, the organization collected tens of > > thousands of letters from North American Jews who supported the > > Shministim, calling their detention a violation of human rights and > > international law. > > > "When you speak with them, you get a sense of what is going on there > > from an Israeli point of view," Levy said. > > > But others said the women's perceived credibility was precisely why > > their campaign could have dangerous ramifications. > > > "I definitely do not agree with what they're trying to do because I > > think they're misguided," said Dani Klein, the North America campus > > director for StandWithUs, which advocates for Israel on campuses. > > Klein said if the campaign gains traction, it could backfire by > > further empowering anti-Israel students. > > > "When they see Israelis come out against their own country or their > > own army, in this instance, it gives those who want to be anti-Israel > > the fodder to do it," he said. > > > The two young women, he said, could inadvertently educate people to > > hate Israel. > > > He compared their campaign to Breaking the Silence, a group of former > > Israeli soldiers who openly criticized Israel's treatment of > > Palestinians. "I definitely understand that Israelis have the right > > not to agree with their government. That's fine," Klein said. "Every > > citizen in a democracy has that right. But you take that up in your > > country. Once you take that abroad, what does that gain you?" > > > So far, it is unclear what kind of reception Wind and Mishly will > > receive during their tour. Levy said demand to hear them speak was > > high and that time constraints forced him to turn down several > > speaking engagements on their behalf. > > > Indeed, campus observers said that political events of the past year - > > including Operation Cast Lead and the second Durban conference - > > fueled anti-Israel rhetoric that they expect to continue. > > > "Last year sort of motivated Israel's detractors to be more vocal and > > do more programs," said Lawrence Muscant, deputy director of The David > > Project. "My feeling is we're going to see the same thing carry over > > into this semester." > > > Like Klein, Muscant expressed concern about the campaign, based on > > knowledge of similar ones in recent years. > > > "On the one hand, if it were inside Israel, they're talking about > > internal Israeli policies. When they speak to the outside world, it > > often gets lost in translation and it plays into the hands of those > > who delegitimize the State of Israel and question its right to exist, > > even if that's not their goal," he said. > > > "Whether this group prescribes to this idea or not, I believe there > > will be people who use their message to further their own agenda." > > ----http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eLrJMb6wpk&feature=related > > ----- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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