The language of jackboots and ultimatums and killing leaders if they do not follow our rules seems very over the top.
On Dec 1, 10:14 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > Just which part do you find to be incorrect ??? Do you truly believe > that tribal leadership/membership/loyalty can be dissolved using any > of the present methods in the next two or three or four generations > without harsh methods ?? > > If so lets look at eastern africa..... all the best from the west has > been poured into it for close to a century.... explain the partitioned > Pakistan... the huge rift between gaza and the west bank... both are > "palestinian". and a long list of others... yet all cling to the > tribal mentality with no end in sight. > > Mein Kampf or not.... what is your solution that has not been already > tried (and failed) REPEATEDLY ?? > > On 12/1/09, VT Sean Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Mein Kampf sounds like a children's book compared to this. > > > On Dec 1, 9:50 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The only lasting peace that will be attained in Afghanistan will be > >> under the the jack-boots of a strong, kill all dissenters dictator. > >> Promise him free reign as long as he exports/allows to be exported > >> nothing but grain and fruits. Tell him he will be killed otherwise. > >> Then keep the promise. > > >> The will and moral dilemma the west has will NEVER suffice in a tribal > >> atmosphere. There can be no "Mr. Nice Guy". You may have to kill the > >> first two or three dictators for the lesson to sink in and the US > >> people do not have the cajones. > > >> On Dec 1, 7:31 am, VT Sean Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > The Afghan people deserve a real chance at Peace, > >> > that is why I support President Obama and the Troop increase. > > >> > Sean Lewis > >> > December 1, 2009 > > >> > The moment Rumsfeld denied the Military Generals request to > >> > send addition troops into Tora Bora to capture or kill > >> > Bin Laden, that was the moment that a swift and > >> > long lasting victory against terrorism was forever lost. > > >> > We have been fighting a mismanaged war of attrition > >> > and will ever since that moment. > > >> > The will of Al-Qaeda would have been crushed if > >> > Bin Laden had been quickly brought to justice. The > >> > exact opposite occurred when Bin laden was allowed to > >> > escape. It not only allowed Al-Qaeda to re-constitute > >> > itself but also energized multiple terrorist organizations > >> > through out the world. > > >> > These organizations now knew that not only could they > >> > strike at America, but they could also do so and live to > >> > reap the benefits of such a successful attack. > > >> > Had the US actually completed the task of capturing or > >> > killing Bin Laden the post war Afghanistan theater of > >> > operations would have been one of reconstruction not > >> > continued warfare. > > >> > Unfortunately this is not what occurred. > > >> > Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda found sanctuary in Pakistan > >> > and reestablished itself as a nebulous enemy with > >> > no central point to attack and thus be able to eradicate > >> > it. Such a swift and quick victory will never be available again. > > >> > In fact the ability to win militarily may no longer be an option. > > >> > This option was squandered by Rumsfeld, time, > >> > constant war, incompetence, torture and no clear plan or > >> > strategy have turned the population in Afghanistan into > >> > angry participants in a war not of their choosing. > > >> > What President Obama may be trying to do is to > >> > make an untenable situation at least salvageable. > > >> > To do this he is willing to do what the Bush Administration > >> > under Rumsfeld failed to done. > > >> > Fight the war the correct way with a clear strategy and > >> > exit. > > >> > Simply put, for 8 years the war was not fought to attain > >> > a long term victory, but merely to win in the short term. > >> > These are not the same things as time has clearly proven. > > >> > President Obama wants to try to correct a monumental > >> > mistake. To TRULY stabilize the region so that the population > >> > has a real opportunity to establish their own government > >> > that may be able to withstand the influence of both the > >> > Taliban and Al-Qaeda. > > >> > America had no business in trying to establish a US > >> > style democracy in another Country. This is a recipe > >> > for certain failure. > > >> > It is one thing to free a people from tyranny, but they will > >> > quickly reject their rescuers if they are merely shackled > >> > to another form of forced governance. > > >> > This is exactly what the Bush Administration did, they > >> > merely changed one form of forced governance for > >> > another, neither of which were the actual will of > >> > the Afghan people. > > >> > The best President Obama can hope for after 8 years > >> > of utter incompetent Presidential oversight in the > >> > execution of military action in Afghanistan, is a country that > >> > can remain stable and not once again come under the influence > >> > of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. > > >> > It is a long shot, but that doesn't mean the Afghan people > >> > do not deserve the opportunity to actually have the ability > >> > for real reform in a safe and stable environment that is > >> > created by overwhelming military force, securing the peace. > > >> >http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/1/81844/7221?new=true > > > -- > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > > * It's active and moderated. 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